tonyh29 Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 Biggest Charlatan since Tim Sherwood wasted too many good players and stuck with too many shit ones but to give him credit he has played the media well and moved England away from the off field debacles we used to have I won’t stop laughing st whoever gives him a premier league job though .. I really hope it’s West Ham 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 This squad is too good to keep wasting it with Southgate. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, WHY said: Will fans stop with this he bonded the team rubbish. They’ve been mates well before they played for England. It's the Bruce "steadied the ship" line reincarnated. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM3000 Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 Failed at the first real challenge, again. Nowhere good enough, apart from Germany haven't beaten anyone around England's level and even struggled with teams below them (Denmark, Colombia, Croatia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 The last three tournaments running, all we’ve had to do is beat 1 decent team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 The only reason people trot out the bollox about Southgate bringing some form of team unity is because of the amount of apologists in the media licking his rear end. In reality he's failed at his job, miserably after several attempts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 The landmark wins of Southgate’s tournament football tenure are a group stage win against Croatia and a knockout win against a now demonstrably poor Germany side. Both on home turf during the Euros. Every other time we’ve come across a side around our level we’ve come short. This WC has been exactly the same. He has had some incredible luck in-terms of opponents and routes to progression, that this is used as a defence is borderline farcical to me. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 1 minute ago, avfc1982am said: The only reason people trot out the bollox about Southgate bringing some form of team unity is because of the amount of apologists in the media licking his rear end. In reality he's failed at his job, miserably after several attempts. Media were told tp back off Southgate from the start of his reign. Previous got grief for a lot less, an in reality you can't do it anymore like the old days of the "wally with the brolly", just not allowed. Had it tol easy in reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 Didn't do anything massively wrong this time, but in major tournament knock out stages its fine margins that make the difference, and again he hasn't helped himself. Bringing on Sterling for Saka was not a good choice, particularly given the week Sterling has had, and waiting until the 96th minute then bringing on Grealish was bizarre. Ultimately, we keep coming up short any time we meet a team comparable to us, and in particular we struggle to create from open play; Croatia, Italy and France its just the 1 goal from open play. Then there's losing to Belgium and failing to qualify for 2020 nations league final, and losing to Italy to get relegated most recently; both games unable to score. He seems to have at least tried to have more of a go at teams this time, after blowing it in the previous two tournaments (scoring early but then going completely into our shell and trying to hold out for 80 minutes), but the inability to coach any good attacking play against the better sides really stands out, given the players he has at his disposal. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuwabatake Sanjuro Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 16 minutes ago, WHY said: Will fans stop with this he bonded the team rubbish. They’ve been mates well before they played for England. Gerrard retiring a few years earlier would have helped plus a lot of the Man Utd players off that era have all proven themselves arseholes off the pitch also. Also Lampard, Sol Campbell and John Terry. Peter Crouch turned out to be a loser who works for scumbag bookmakers too. Jesus they were a hateful bunch on reflection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: Media were told tp back off Southgate from the start of his reign. Previous got grief for a lot less, an in reality you can't do it anymore like the old days of the "wally with the brolly", just not allowed. Had it tol easy in reality. Which is why England are happy losers. Until it becomes unacceptable to lose you can never have a winning mentality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 6 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: Media were told tp back off Southgate from the start of his reign. Previous got grief for a lot less, an in reality you can't do it anymore like the old days of the "wally with the brolly", just not allowed. Had it tol easy in reality. 'Had it too easy'? Did relentlessly slagging off the team in the media lead to a lot of success previously? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, avfc1982am said: Which is why England are happy losers. Until it becomes unacceptable to lose you can never have a winning mentality. Yeah, it's just about getting the mental state right. Once it's become 'unacceptable to lose' we will simply never lose a match again. Football solved! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicho Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 Im fuming at the ref that is all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaParkAvenue Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 10 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: Yeah, it's just about getting the mental state right. Once it's become 'unacceptable to lose' we will simply never lose a match again. Football solved! It’ll be a lot of turnover in the squad if it really becomes unacceptable to lose, and every player or manager involved in a loss is out for good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 3 hours ago, Pinebro said: As a neutral I thought England was by far the better team and was unlucky to lose. Were they? I cant remember LLoris making a big save Also you were one of the non World Cuo watchers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Nicho said: Im fuming at the ref that is all You got 2 penalties and the game should've been finished before the free kick for the Sterling push on Mbappe. Gimme a break 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 4 minutes ago, Zatman said: Were they? I cant remember LLoris making a big save Also you were one of the non World Cuo watchers He made several and just unlucky bounce of ball in goal mouth scrambles first half. England dominated and shots and shots on target reflects that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 8 minutes ago, Kiwivillan said: He made several and just unlucky bounce of ball in goal mouth scrambles first half. England dominated and shots and shots on target reflects that Except it didnt happen. England had 2.05 XG and was 1.60 was the 2 penalties they had Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingsombrero Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Wainy316 said: The last three tournaments running, all we’ve had to do is beat 1 decent team Other than Croatia in the Euro's I cant think when you've beaten a decent team in a competitive scenario in the last 25 years. Edited December 11, 2022 by flamingsombrero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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