dont_do_it_doug. Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 Just now, Zatman said: not by much though, just shows shit managers can look OK job in Championship With some rounding... Bruce - 138 games, 74 wins = 54% Lambert - 79 games, 25 wins = 44% Keane - 127 games, 55 wins = 43% 10% is a fair old chunk of games, it's 4-5 a season at this level. More important than that to me is his consistency at getting teams promoted from the Championship, 4 times via various methods. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJT123 Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 Quite a bit of money coming in for...Steve McClaren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 1 minute ago, KJT123 said: Quite a bit of money coming in for...Steve McClaren I couldn't think of anything worse. Steve Round was his assistant for quite a while though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 21 minutes ago, Zatman said: or Birmingham when he was consistently outspending DOL and I dont think ever finished above him As a matter of interest... Aston Villa; 03/04 - £6.8m net (6th) 04/05 - £4.6m net (10th) 05/06 - £8.6m net (16th) Birmingham city; 03/04 - £12.4m net (10th) 04/05 - £6.4m net (12th) 05/06 - £0.0m net (18th) Let's face it, neither club were spending as they should. It's no great surprise that Birmingham went down the season they didn't invest either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave J Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 41 minutes ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: It's better than both. But surely we should be looking at more than a short term fix? I don't want Bruce in just to take us up - stagnate, get the bird - then the bullet and we start over, do we not need a cohesive strategy for the next five seasons? This will end in tears - Mark my words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 You cant long term plan from the Ch with PL teams season for season coming down with parachute payments at such a high level. We need to get up, then go from there 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AValon Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 Can't say any of the runners inspire me much, even the ones with supposed 'championship' nous. The only one that perhaps intrigues me is Dyche because it would be interesting to see what he could do with the right backing. But I suppose thats irrelevant because it will probably be Bruce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacbuddies Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 Steve Bruce is short termism (if that's a word). He has never won anything and never will. If he becomes manager then it is just a countdown to when the 'Next Manager' thread will be opened again. It is about time this club looked to the future and appointed someone other than the only available quick fix bore of a manager. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dn1982 Posted October 8, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted October 8, 2016 3 minutes ago, Dave J said: But surely we should be looking at more than a short term fix? I don't want Bruce in just to take us up - stagnate, get the bird - then the bullet and we start over, do we not need a cohesive strategy for the next five seasons? This will end in tears - Mark my words. The club needs a long term plan. You can't include managers in that. Most have a shelf life of 2-3 years. Let's get promoted then re-evaluate. I'd be more than happy for Bruce to come in and get us up maybe even consolidate then bring in a top end manager. First and foremost we have to get out of this division. For me we have 2 seasons to do it or we are in trouble. We could be in big financial difficulty in 3 years so a 5 year plan is pointless. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 I understand the importance of getting back in to the top flight no matter what and then looking at that point looking at a longer term plan. We can not spend any longer than necessary in this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave J Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 2 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: I understand the importance of getting back in to the top flight no matter what and then looking at that point looking at a longer term plan. We can not spend any longer than necessary in this league. I totally agree and the cohesive plan that I hope the club can manage to conjure - still includes promotion ASAP - but is then sustainable thereafter, not a quick fix promotion, which all goes horribly wrong again. This job is already starting to look a bit like a poison chalice - hence the need for a longer term plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 14 minutes ago, Dave J said: I totally agree and the cohesive plan that I hope the club can manage to conjure - still includes promotion ASAP - but is then sustainable thereafter, not a quick fix promotion, which all goes horribly wrong again. This job is already starting to look a bit like a poison chalice - hence the need for a longer term plan. I'm thinking of Southampton and Lecistor. Once the manangers that got them promoted did what they had to do they were replaced with managers to take them to next level. Id expect something similar. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dounavilla Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 1 hour ago, KJT123 said: Quite a bit of money coming in for...Steve McClaren 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted October 8, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted October 8, 2016 (edited) Can anyone see anyone other than Bruce? EDIT- Not saying i want him, just cant see where we are going to get someone good before wolves. Edited October 8, 2016 by Nigel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 1 hour ago, KJT123 said: Quite a bit of money coming in for...Steve McClaren Where you hear that? You can get 14-1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 1 hour ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: As a matter of interest... Aston Villa; 03/04 - £6.8m net (6th) 04/05 - £4.6m net (10th) 05/06 - £8.6m net (16th) Birmingham city; 03/04 - £12.4m net (10th) 04/05 - £6.4m net (12th) 05/06 - £0.0m net (18th) Let's face it, neither club were spending as they should. It's no great surprise that Birmingham went down the season they didn't invest either. Which season did they beat us 3-0 at home? Wasn't Bruce manager at time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post briny_ear Posted October 8, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted October 8, 2016 I'm pretty sure that Di Matteo was seen as a short term appointment - hence the two year contract. I'd imagine the plan was for him to get us out of the championship and review the appointment once we were back in the prem. There is no reason to change that plan - we just need someone who can actually get us out of this league. I'd be very much in favour of appointing a manager with the sole aim of getting promotion and rewarding him royally and sending him on his way in a year or two if not right for progress in the premier league. We have good reason to be wary of "five year plans". 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 1 hour ago, Dave J said: But surely we should be looking at more than a short term fix? I don't want Bruce in just to take us up - stagnate, get the bird - then the bullet and we start over, do we not need a cohesive strategy for the next five seasons? This will end in tears - Mark my words. But you do want to go up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Which season did they beat us 3-0 at home? Wasn't Bruce manager at time? Yes. That was 02/03 following his first promotion with them. They finished 13th that season and above us, for the record. Edited October 8, 2016 by dont_do_it_doug. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Albert Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 1 minute ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: Yes. That was 02/03 following his first promotion with them. They finished 13th that season and above us, for the record. They were horrible times as a villa fan. the scum going mental at our place, is something i will never forget Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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