itdoesntmatterwhatthissay Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 11 minutes ago, Eastie said: Last I heard we were hopeful he will be fit for forest. Heard that too. Really need him back. Performances aside sometimes the positioning of a player is mightily important. If he'd have played in the last game his natural drop would have allowed other players to come forward and perhaps win a clearance or help the attack. Plus with his experience there's no way the middle would've been so flat. He's had some dodgy performances but he's a defensive player who was trying to start attacks. I think it all got a bit much for him so I'm bloody delighted we got him some attacking support. How many years have we gone without a hard tackling defensive midfielder? Lets not write this one off already. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 8 minutes ago, itdoesntmatterwhatthissay said: Really need him back. Performances aside sometimes the positioning of a player is mightily important. If he'd have played in the last game his natural drop would have allowed other players to come forward and perhaps win a clearance or help the attack. Plus with his experience there's no way the middle would've been so flat. Agreed. I think it was Wigan at home where we controlled the game for the most part, but every time they won the ball and tried to counter, he was in the right position and in their faces and helped us keep piling the pressure on. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post lexicon Posted February 2, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted February 2, 2017 The one silver lining from the Brentford game is that some people might start to understand his role in the team. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastie Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 Sadly it's been confirmed jedinak is out of tomorrow's game with groin injury . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 2 minutes ago, Eastie said: Sadly it's been confirmed jedinak is out of tomorrow's game with groin injury . That scuppers things. Bugger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 18 minutes ago, Eastie said: Sadly it's been confirmed jedinak is out of tomorrow's game with groin injury . Bad news. Definitely need someone in that role though - or go for 3 CBs maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted February 3, 2017 Author Share Posted February 3, 2017 I think gotta take out Thor and put back na in there. Be suicide playing same cm again. It was diabolical horror show Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TRO Posted February 3, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted February 3, 2017 (edited) Jedinak is one of those players who, is not noticed until he has gone. He is crucial to us. His legs have gone ...sure His passing is a bit iffy....sure He is slow.....sure But he takes the pressure off so many of our players, negates the oppositions threats, particularly aerially and instills composure in the 2 centres. He is strong and has presence. When fit, he will allow Lansbury and Hourihane to raid and support the strikers and not have worry about the defensive duties so much. He is our ( in Ron Atkinsons words) INSURANCE MAN Edited February 3, 2017 by TRO 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 15 minutes ago, TRO said: Jedinak is one of those players who, is not noticed until he has gone. He is crucial to us. His legs have gone ...sure His passing is a bit iffy....sure He is slow.....sure But he takes the pressure off so many of our players, negates the oppositions threats, particularly aerially and instills composure in the 2 centres. He is strong and has presence. When fit, he will allow Lansbury and Hourihane to raid and support the strikers and not have worry about the defensive duties so much. He is our ( in Ron Atkinsons words) INSURANCE MAN Agree with all of that. Had a ropey few games but his positioning is always top drawer. When the team is playing well then he, as you say, acts as that extra insurance. Just somebody give him a simple **** out ball, please. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TRO Posted February 3, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted February 3, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: Agree with all of that. Had a ropey few games but his positioning is always top drawer. When the team is playing well then he, as you say, acts as that extra insurance. Just somebody give him a simple **** out ball, please. Dave I learnt a painful lesson on watching football years ago.....I was in my 30's .....thought I knew the game inside out....why shouldn't I, been a season ticket holder for years then. I was watching the Championship winning side and I used to go back in the Aston Social Club belly aching about how crap Des Bremner was to anyone who would listen mainly my poor mates, who eventually just give in to me I think. It eventually Dawned on me and I came to realise just how essential this player was.....Eamonn Deacy, the same. While I was star struck with the eye candy on show.....I failed to see the ugly side of the game. Years Later in the corporate... Conscience getting the better of me.....I discussed this with the man Himself. He said you are not the first to say this to me.....but alls well, that ends well. When I watch DM's now......I remind myself what a complete and utter plonker I was.( some will say, still is) My apologies to all you Defensive Midfielders out there that I failed in the past to recognise your true value Edited February 3, 2017 by TRO 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itdoesntmatterwhatthissay Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 Ha @TRO, so true. Plus we have to be realistic. Back in the day we had players who could defend and attack which allow us to control games more efficiently; fans and the clubs expectations didn't change when we went mid-table. Now we have to have players for positions because the market, our league position and perhaps even the scouting/development system isn't giving us players who are talented enough to do both. It's not a wholly negative thing, it's the football experience for 95% of clubs and we have to accept we're not the team we once were. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 McCann Boeteng Barry Petrov Hockey (only joking) Players underestimated in their true value to the team Side note: Had Barry not been part of a solid back 3, I wonder if had he been deployed as a Deep lying MF for his whole Villa career, I bet he wouldnt have been so appreciated as a top player for us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 11 minutes ago, itdoesntmatterwhatthissay said: Ha @TRO, so true. Plus we have to be realistic. Back in the day we had players who could defend and attack which allow us to control games more efficiently; fans and the clubs expectations didn't change when we went mid-table. Now we have to have players for positions because the market, our league position and perhaps even the scouting/development system isn't giving us players who are talented enough to do both. It's not a wholly negative thing, it's the football experience for 95% of clubs and we have to accept we're not the team we once were. No we are not the "team" we once were.....but the "club" I think is much better. Inevitably the world changes.....but interestingly some things like principles rarely change......and I think it is equally important to recognise that. Back to the play We will turn this corner, that I am sure of and I believe with this manager too, because I think he understands the problem, but is working on a fix, they may take longer than we have patience for. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 51 minutes ago, itdoesntmatterwhatthissay said: Ha @TRO, so true. Plus we have to be realistic. Back in the day we had players who could defend and attack which allow us to control games more efficiently; fans and the clubs expectations didn't change when we went mid-table.Now we have to have players for positions because the market, our league position and perhaps even the scouting/development system isn't giving us players who are talented enough to do both. It's not a wholly negative thing, it's the football experience for 95% of clubs and we have to accept we're not the team we once were. you are right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 8 hours ago, Grasshopper said: McCann Boeteng Barry Petrov Hockey (only joking) Players underestimated in their true value to the team Side note: Had Barry not been part of a solid back 3, I wonder if had he been deployed as a Deep lying MF for his whole Villa career, I bet he wouldnt have been so appreciated as a top player for us. Agreed, Trevor was not subject to widespread underestimation. He had been a decent player and he joined us late in his footballing career but gave us what he could and that was 100% effort. He also frightened opponents! I have to say that I don't think that Barry's value to us was ever underestimated but the rest of those that you have mentioned along with the likes of Frank Carrodus and Des Bremner were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted February 3, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted February 3, 2017 11 hours ago, lexicon said: Bad news. Definitely need someone in that role though - or go for 3 CBs maybe. Didn't Hourihane have better interception stats than Jedanick anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 (edited) 29 minutes ago, John said: Agreed, Trevor was not subject to widespread underestimation. He had been a decent player and he joined us late in his footballing career but gave us what he could and that was 100% effort. He also frightened opponents! I have to say that I don't think that Barry's value to us was ever underestimated but the rest of those that you have mentioned along with the likes of Frank Carrodus and Des Bremner were. Its because........respect to us all.......we don't understand the game as much as we think we do. even in this league, we have to respect, understand and appreciate, what they are trying to do.....its a scrap and physical endeavour is required to succeed. its all very well some saying it's a shit league.....but its not. we need to understand the choppy waters we are in and navigate them accordingly. you are not going to get out of this league with any notion of expansive football or anything similar.....you have to fight your way out. Edited February 3, 2017 by TRO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 Doesn't seem to have the physique to play week in and week out anymore. Has to be manged very carefully if he is to be any use to us. His mobility is almost Lescott bad, but if the players around him do all the running and offer an easy outlet when he has the ball he could focus on the things he still does well and thus be an asset in games against more difficult opponents. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Eastie Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 3 minutes ago, Farlz said: Quite some stat that is - every game we've won jedinak has played in . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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