sidcow Posted January 27, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted January 27, 2022 Just now, Lochheads twin said: or a bowling alley! An aquarium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, sidcow said: An aquarium. A hotel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 Theme park Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talldarkandransome Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Chine said: Wow ,fun times ! Are you a millionaire? Not anymore 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Silvers Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 High class knocking shop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lochheads twin Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 20 minutes ago, thabucks said: Interesting picture taken from an unusual angle. While it show plenty of space behind the North Stand, it also raises the prospect there may be objections from the council or homeowners on Nelson Road about a full height and wider stand, similar to issues with the Witton Lane and Holte redevelopments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thabucks Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, Lochheads twin said: Interesting picture taken from an unusual angle. While it show plenty of space behind the North Stand, it also raises the prospect there may be objections from the council or homeowners on Nelson Road about a full height and wider stand, similar to issues with the Witton Lane and Holte redevelopments. I wonder if we own any of the houses on Nelson Road, otherwise CPO will be required and cannot see that being easy though it will be the only way to alleviate the issues with right to light and crowd movement around the stadium Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparrow1988 Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 7 minutes ago, sne said: Theme park The only right answer to this hypothetical question 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lochheads twin Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Lochheads twin said: or a bowling alley! I think it was called Fairlanes and this must have been last 60's/70's. Edited January 27, 2022 by Lochheads twin add picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 (edited) 38 minutes ago, sidcow said: The only city centre site I can think of (other than the former Wholesale market site which is already earmarked for development) is the area behind The Rep/Library with from the multi story car park to The Flapper. There is a bit of a park and some 60's blocks of flats. I believe it's a earmarked for development but nothing formalised. It's probably a big enough area and easily walkable from all parts of City Centre but you would be up against developers of prime Real Estate for expensive apartments to buy the land. Very expensive. At least it's our side of Town, Wholesale Markets site is a bit too Small Heath for my liking. Very sha. Digbeth territory is dirtbag territory. You imagine being less than a mile from that shithole. No thanks Edited January 27, 2022 by avfc1982am Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted January 27, 2022 Moderator Share Posted January 27, 2022 @thabucks I like some elements of the design of Lambaeu fields atrium and it's clearly a very practical thing given the weather - I'd love see a much larger concourse on the back of the North Stand - we have room there depending on how much of the parking we can afford to sacrifice. Architecturally, I'm not massively keen on the aesthetic of Lambeau with that Atrium looking bolted on as an afterthought - but it looks nice from inside and it keeps the snow off. Green Bay is weird - and I think possibly illustrates one of the big differences between US stadia and the problems we have in the UK. The city of Green Bay has a population of 104,000 people - which means it has a population that's smaller than the population of Sutton Coldfield, it's only just bigger than Nuneaton. The population of Wisconsin - the state that Green Bay is in, is 5.8 million people - it has an area of 169,000 km² - by comparison, England has an area of 130,000 km². So this is a stadium which serves an area of land that is larger than England but has a population of almost exactly one tenth of England. The West Midlands has 2.9 million people in an area of 902 km² - half the population of the state of Wisconsin and in an area that is 187 times smaller than the state - the population density difference is enormous. When you have fans coming in from long distances and you have enormous amounts of space for parking, for roads and enormous amounts of space to put in mass transit systems transport trouble isn't something you have to worry about - it's a given, it's easy. There's more developable land in that picture than there is within twenty or thirty miles of Villa Park. America is largely empty - the UK isn't like that - we have a shortage of houses and a shortage of land to build them on - car parks the size of those at Lambeau Field are really impractical here - that stadium is actually classed as in the city (although it looks like the border goes around it to make sure) and it's actually a tiny little bit further from the centre of Green Bay than Villa Park is from the centre of Birmingham (which as everybody knows is at the bottom of the ramp). I like the idea of a city centre stadium - but by most standards we've actually got one where we are - we really should be able to develop and expand in Aston - and that's before we get into heritage, history and erm...romantic nourishment. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsky_11 Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 (edited) Dunno if this previous concept from the 2018 World Cup is suggesting some kind of glassy affair a bit like that Green Bay attrium thing. Edited January 27, 2022 by tomsky_11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 Personally I'd like us to redo the North and DE stands. The DE is just pants tbh. of all 4 stands I've been in it the least. Just not keen on it at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted January 27, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted January 27, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, avfc1982am said: Very sha. Digbeth territory is dirtbag territory. You imagine being less than a mile from that shithole. No thanks I think I made it quite clear that I don't imagine that Edited January 27, 2022 by sidcow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 53 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: @thabucks I like some elements of the design of Lambaeu fields atrium and it's clearly a very practical thing given the weather - I'd love see a much larger concourse on the back of the North Stand - we have room there depending on how much of the parking we can afford to sacrifice. Architecturally, I'm not massively keen on the aesthetic of Lambeau with that Atrium looking bolted on as an afterthought - but it looks nice from inside and it keeps the snow off. Green Bay is weird - and I think possibly illustrates one of the big differences between US stadia and the problems we have in the UK. The city of Green Bay has a population of 104,000 people - which means it has a population that's smaller than the population of Sutton Coldfield, it's only just bigger than Nuneaton. The population of Wisconsin - the state that Green Bay is in, is 5.8 million people - it has an area of 169,000 km² - by comparison, England has an area of 130,000 km². So this is a stadium which serves an area of land that is larger than England but has a population of almost exactly one tenth of England. The West Midlands has 2.9 million people in an area of 902 km² - half the population of the state of Wisconsin and in an area that is 187 times smaller than the state - the population density difference is enormous. When you have fans coming in from long distances and you have enormous amounts of space for parking, for roads and enormous amounts of space to put in mass transit systems transport trouble isn't something you have to worry about - it's a given, it's easy. There's more developable land in that picture than there is within twenty or thirty miles of Villa Park. America is largely empty - the UK isn't like that - we have a shortage of houses and a shortage of land to build them on - car parks the size of those at Lambeau Field are really impractical here - that stadium is actually classed as in the city (although it looks like the border goes around it to make sure) and it's actually a tiny little bit further from the centre of Green Bay than Villa Park is from the centre of Birmingham (which as everybody knows is at the bottom of the ramp). I like the idea of a city centre stadium - but by most standards we've actually got one where we are - we really should be able to develop and expand in Aston - and that's before we get into heritage, history and erm...romantic nourishment. Couldn't help but laugh at the size of the car parks in this shot of Arrowhead Stadium: I bet that's only about 70% of it as well. The bottom line for me is if we want to expand, we need to give up some parking. @nick76 is right that the car park behind the Holte is fairly pointless and would be the obvious location for an additional structure (doesn't have to be an atrium, could be a separate building) for shops, a bar, a restaurant etc to keep people there. I doubt we would go to such an expense just to reduce the numbers on the platforms at Witton station, but it could potentially be a worthwhile investment from a financial perspective as long as it was somewhere actually inviting and worth being in. Most of the rest of the parking is at risk from the North Stand expansion as well of course, so maybe it's unrealistic, but again Nick is right that this is a waste of space for a very small amount of cars. Cars are always a waste of space, and Birmingham isn't Missouri. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted January 27, 2022 Moderator Share Posted January 27, 2022 That looks like more parking than the NEC - and guess what they're doing with their car parks?* The problem football grounds have with parking is hospitality - you don't want to come out of your suite two hours after kick off and have to walk across Aston in your good shoes and your expensive watch - those people want parking. The ideal solution is to put those parking places underground - but that's very expensive - there might be room for a multi-story behind where the ticket off is now I suppose. *(Building houses on them and replacing the existing ones with multi-story parking). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 36 minutes ago, avfc1982am said: Personally I'd like us to redo the North and DE stands. The DE is just pants tbh. of all 4 stands I've been in it the least. Just not keen on it at all. There is no room at the inn at the side of Villa Park. Not much more we can do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 (edited) I just went on a google stadium tour of some of the NFL teams on Google and some of the stadiums they have over there are just insane. My personal favourites are: The SOFI Stadium US Bank Stadium Lucas Oil Stadium Allegiant Stadium Unreal. Edited January 27, 2022 by Delphinho123 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 25 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: That looks like more parking than the NEC - and guess what they're doing with their car parks?* The problem football grounds have with parking is hospitality - you don't want to come out of your suite two hours after kick off and have to walk across Aston in your good shoes and your expensive watch - those people want parking. The ideal solution is to put those parking places underground - but that's very expensive - there might be room for a multi-story behind where the ticket off is now I suppose. *(Building houses on them and replacing the existing ones with multi-story parking). Yes, in a resource-constraint-free world my preferred development would be a small amount of underground parking for the VIPs under the current car park and sort-of-under the new enlarged stand, but I assume it's probably hoping for too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thabucks Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 18 minutes ago, Delphinho123 said: I just went on a google stadium tour of some of the NFL teams on Google and some of the stadiums they have over there are just insane. My personal favourites are: The SOFI Stadium US Bank Stadium Lucas Oil Stadium Allegiant Stadium Unreal. I would love to experience a game at SoFi - the oculus is ridiculous … In terms of stadia design, I alway liked the internal layout of the Hicks & Gillet binned plans for a new Anfield which were modern yet kept the separate stand identity, and was not just an identikit stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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