TRO Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 8 minutes ago, BOF said: Yep that's a key difference between Randy and Tony. One is self-made and therefore capable. The other, because he inherited, will always have question marks over his abilities if not his character. On the basis that Dr. X has seemingly passed the F&P test we can now rest a little more easily that he is what he says, in which case he's one significant step closer to being that capable owner that we need. And by capable I also mean the ability to acknowledge one's own shortcomings and hire the right help. From what we've seen, he tends to succeed in what he does, so he must go about things in the right way. Hopefully we're the next successful project My sentiments entirely. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilS Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 28 minutes ago, Shropshire Lad said: There was a report in the press about cost cutting measures that had been employed at the club, reduction in stewards, staff made up of kids, etc. One of the measures supposedly taken was that the corporate allocation no longer received their half time chocolate digestives. Cue a lot of "this takes the biscuit" style remarks.... Thanks for clearing that up, That makes a lot more sense than the things that my brain were making up as a possible meaning. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 25 minutes ago, Shropshire Lad said: There was a report in the press about cost cutting measures that had been employed at the club, reduction in stewards, staff made up of kids, etc. One of the measures supposedly taken was that the corporate allocation no longer received their half time chocolate digestives. Cue a lot of "this takes the biscuit" style remarks.... .....crumbs!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post alreadyexists Posted June 14, 2016 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted June 14, 2016 31 minutes ago, Shropshire Lad said: There was a report in the press about cost cutting measures that had been employed at the club, reduction in stewards, staff made up of kids, etc. One of the measures supposedly taken was that the corporate allocation no longer received their half time chocolate digestives. Cue a lot of "this takes the biscuit" style remarks.... So... If you don't like a lot of chocolate on your biscuit, join our club. 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post terrytini Posted June 14, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted June 14, 2016 4 hours ago, snowychap said: Edit. You may have your point of view about things and they are obviously different from those people in this thread whom you are accusing of this 'secondary school' moralizing but ridiculing other people's genuinely held opinions in such a way is piss poor. And therein lies the problem (for me), I'm afraid. Write off people's issue(s) with this kind of stance as 'secondary school' moralizing if you wish but that says more about where you stand than where they do or how they put forward their stance. Yeah that came out wrong in tone.. Apologies. But you are wrong if you think I was ridiculing peoples opinions. What I meant by 'secondary school' was not really the views in themselves but the nature of the debate, which at times has been a bit like either sound bite- type views or lectures. For example those who see the 'West as best' pretty much saying 'Yes we know we are bad but hey you are joking if you think we are as bad as ABC' - others replying 'Hey, what about Bush !" - its a massive can of worms and really, its a football thread on a football website. I am happy to have a hugely detailed discussion on the relative merits of economic systems and political constructions, but, here , really ? And I know where I stand - there are some people getting very very holier than thou because our owners are Chinese, our Lead guys have murky dealings, and so on. It makes no sense, because to be consistent then they would have HAD to be the same about us being owned by the inherited wealth of a billionaire who will have profited off the misfortune of others - yet that never came up. That's my point - they then have to say "That's different", and off goes the schoolyard debate. That's the problem of people bringing morality into a football debate, morality, and peoples individual morality, peoples individual demarcation areas, is a very fluid, and usually very inconsistent thing. If we really want that fight, who has Japanese goods ? Who buys other than free trade coffee ? Who doesn't bother to vote ? Who prefers low cost food to paying farmers properly ? Who wears trainers from (insert sweat shop here). Who knows whether we pay minimum wage to catering staff at VP ? Who has ever stolen a paper clip ? The world is full of degrees of badness, which to others may look like degrees of goodness. The 'schoolyard' element I refer to is the reduction of such complexities to quick 'facts' and 'high ground' opinions. Well, I am fervently anti-free market and anti-capitalist, but we live in a free market, capitalist world (football wise I mean, that's all that is relevant to me as regards Villa), and so I'm happy we have people at the Club who know how that works and how (hopefully) to use it to our advantage. Then I can enjoy Saturdays. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Thats a thorough response from terrytini, better than I have the patience for when it comes to this discussion. I hope its enough to satisfy the debate(rs) and we get to enjoy the takeover chat in the takeover thread once more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, terrytini said: Yeah that came out wrong in tone.. Apologies. ... there are some people getting very very holier than thou... Not that apologetic or 'wrong in tone' if you'll then resort to characterizing people's opinions as 'holier than thou' which comes across in exactly the same way as the previous post. The rest of your post, whilst making a sensible point about the difficulties in discussing ethics and morality, seems to make little sense in trying to exempt football from a discussion of ethics because of that difficulty. Why just football (or monopoly or golf)? You've not only argued, in that post, about the difficulty of applying ethics or morality to the arena of football, you've earlier in the threrad claimed that morals do not apply in football thus giving justification to the unethical behaviour that you are happy for the club to participate in: 17 hours ago, terrytini said: I for one am 100% behind whatever we do, and however we do it, as long as it doesn't break the rules. In fact, as long as the breaking of the rules is done in a carefully considered and risk assessed way, I'm not even too worried about that either. By the way, where does your compartmentalization end? On the pitch? How a club deals with the footballing authorities? How a club deals with another club? What goes on in the stands? How a club treats its staff? How a club treats its fans? How a club is funded? For those who may wonder how on topic this is, I think it's a very valid thing to discuss how far fans are willing for their club (and its new owner(s)) to go in order to try and achieve success. Whether or not the new owners will do any of what fans may hope for we won't know until events unfold. If, however, fans are posting that they claim that football has no morals, that morals don't come in to it, that they're not even too worried about doing something wrong as long as we've properly evaluated that wrongdoing or that we should **** morals and they want 'bend ****' to get us to the top doing their thing with regard to the takeover that has happened then it surely is an appropriate thread in which to put any countering opinion that there are fans who would have a problem with that. Edited June 14, 2016 by snowychap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPAngel Posted June 14, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted June 14, 2016 Anyway.... When is this takeover going to be announced? Have we signed Zidane yet? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Not long until I can change my avatar for ever... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BOF Posted June 14, 2016 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted June 14, 2016 And so, it is done. All official-like. 22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 I tried clicking on that link. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparrow1988 Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Boo Yeah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted June 14, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted June 14, 2016 Just now, BOF said: And so, it is done. All official-like. Finally!!!!!!!!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BOF Posted June 14, 2016 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted June 14, 2016 Complete with customary typo. Never change Villa, never change. The competition of 100 per cent ownership from Randy Lerner has been rubber-stamped by the Football League. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted June 14, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted June 14, 2016 Quote Aston Villa is delighted to confirm the sale of the Club to Recon Group, owned by Dr Tony Xia. The competition of 100 per cent ownership from Randy Lerner has been rubber-stamped by the Football League. Dr Xia has been informed he passed the owners and directors test and following the competition of paperwork today is now the Club's new Owner and Chairman. A new board will be appointed later this week. http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~5650044,00.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPAngel Posted June 14, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted June 14, 2016 2 minutes ago, useless said: I tried clicking on that link. Same here. @BOF that is an absolute tease. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted June 14, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted June 14, 2016 4 minutes ago, BOF said: Complete with customary typo. Never change Villa, never change. The competition of 100 per cent ownership from Randy Lerner has been rubber-stamped by the Football League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted June 14, 2016 Moderator Share Posted June 14, 2016 1 minute ago, JPAngel said: Same here. @BOF that is an absolute tease. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted June 14, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted June 14, 2016 There are actually 2 typos. Here's the one from the 2nd sentence. Dr Xia has been informed he passed the owners and directors test and following the competition of paperwork today is now the Club's new Owner and Chairman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farlz Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 King Tony is here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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