meme Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 1 minute ago, hippo said: Unless ours gets hidden and only Samuelson knows where it is..... I'm sure Xia has some Russian friends who would 'eliminate' Samuelson... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 15 minutes ago, meme said: I'm sure Xia has some Russian friends who would 'eliminate' Samuelson... I'm sure the Chinese don't need to rely on Russian friends to eliminate anyone 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwj Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 19 minutes ago, hippo said: Unless ours gets hidden and only Samuelson knows where it is..... I don't entirely get how this is any different to the American holding company we've had for the past 10 years. If you want an entirely ethical, transparent corporate structure for a multi-million pound company you might need to travel back in time to the 1950's... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPAngel Posted June 13, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted June 13, 2016 SkySports running the story now as well: Quote New Aston Villa owner Tony Xia passes fit and proper person test By Mark Ashenden Last Updated: 13/06/16 4:15pm New Aston Villa owner Tony Xia has passed the Premier League and Football League's fit and proper person test, according to Sky sources. The Chinese businessman, 39, bought the Sky Bet Championship club in May from American Randy Lerner, who had been looking to sell up since 2014. Xia needed to pass the customary test for his takeover of the club to be completed and it is understood on Monday afternoon that he had been given the green light and was in the UK to complete the acquisition of Villa. Investigations into Xia's conglomerate, Recon Group, were carried out jointly by the Premier League and Football League as Villa, relegated from the top-flight this season, did not officially become a Championship club until June. Xia did not foresee any problems and said two weeks ago that there was "no way, and not any excuse, that they should turn me down because I am a person who is doing everything legally". He added: "I am enthusiastic for the club and I will devote myself to it and I am responsible to take it over. There is no reason they will disapprove of that." Villa had already confirmed the appointment of Roberto Di Matteo as their new manager on a two-year contract on June 3. Di Matteo was identified as the preferred choice by the new owner at the time of his takeover. The 46-year-old Italian won the Champions League with Chelsea in 2012 but has not managed in the second tier of English football since 2009-10, when he won promotion with West Brom. Di Matteo revealed Steve Clarke, sacked as Reading boss in December, as his assistant on June 6. Clicky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 1 minute ago, mwj said: I don't entirely get how this is any different to the American holding company we've had for the past 10 years. If you want an entirely ethical, transparent corporate structure for a multi-million pound company you might need to travel back in time to the 1950's... Seriously ? We knew Lerner 100% owned RAL - Lerner nor any of his board had interests in companies that specialise in hiding money. Doesn't make either a good or bad owner - but there are more questions about the Xia takeover than Lerner 10 years ago.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoony Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 6 minutes ago, hippo said: Seriously ? We knew Lerner 100% owned RAL - Lerner nor any of his board had interests in companies that specialise in hiding money. Doesn't make either a good or bad owner - but there are more questions about the Xia takeover than Lerner 10 years ago.... ...that we know of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ponky Posted June 13, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted June 13, 2016 Lerner did a great job of hiding money - every transfer window. 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwj Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 (edited) 9 minutes ago, hippo said: Seriously ? We knew Lerner 100% owned RAL - Lerner nor any of his board had interests in companies that specialise in hiding money. Doesn't make either a good or bad owner - but there are more questions about the Xia takeover than Lerner 10 years ago.... No you don't, unless you magically have a list of shareholders for RAL LLC (the American holding company, not the UK one) I'm not sure how you've come to the conclusion that they specialise in hiding money, other than they are incorporated in Switzerland. Edited June 13, 2016 by mwj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 20 hours ago, alreadyexists said: So is all ownership. Part of being owned by a person, or group of people, is that the club is subject to the whims of that individual. I don't like it either, but it's the nature of the beast so to speak. A government could get bored, a billionaire could get bored, or any other outcome. I just don't see government ownership (if that's what this is) as being more or less reliable that an individual. Except maybe that the Chinese Government isn't exactly going to be voted out any time soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 I have hunch this administration will not accept failure as readily as the American did. We will not procrastinate in the same fashion as we did under Randy I suspect the freeloaders will not be tolerated and I foresee a ruthless streak in the pursuit of success. I do not see a passive regime like the last one. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 39 minutes ago, hippo said: Seriously ? We knew Lerner 100% owned RAL - Lerner nor any of his board had interests in companies that specialise in hiding money. Doesn't make either a good or bad owner - but there are more questions about the Xia takeover than Lerner 10 years ago.... Hmmm. I wouldn't be so sure that everything Randy Lerner had his fingers in was entirely morally "clean". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 21 hours ago, Jareth said: Loving the foreign government bashing. Chilcott says hello. What on earth has Chilcott got to do with the human rights records of China or Qatar? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 (edited) As if there was any doubt Edited June 13, 2016 by AshVilla 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 Just now, snowychap said: What on earth has Chilcott got to do with the human rights records of China or Qatar? Tony Blair, illegal war, thousands killed, thanks to the squeaky clean and oh so ethical UK government. Point being, the Chinese are a great bunch of lads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Danwichmann Posted June 13, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted June 13, 2016 22 hours ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: I live in Qatar (Have done so on and of since 1991), and yes, while some things are bad, it would appear you are another victim of the sensationalist media. I'm married to a Nepali girl, a have a number of relatives working in Qatar on World Cup stadiums and other construction projects. I have no doubt what so ever that the working conditions are a huge violation of human rights for these unskilled labourers, and the kafala system is nothing short of modern day slavery for many workers. And that is nothing to do with the media. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danwichmann Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 22 hours ago, Spoony said: I get your point, but consider sponsors such as adidas, Nike, McDonalds, etc. I wonder what their human rights records are like when it comes to where their products are made, the working conditions of their staff and how much they're paid... That's a very fair point, and as far as possible I try to give my business to companies I believe are ethical (or at least take my business from companies that I have reason to believe are not ethical), although there isn't always the transparency to make informed decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 7 minutes ago, Danwichmann said: I'm married to a Nepali girl, a have a number of relatives working in Qatar on World Cup stadiums and other construction projects. I have no doubt what so ever that the working conditions are a huge violation of human rights for these unskilled labourers, and the kafala system is nothing short of modern day slavery for many workers. And that is nothing to do with the media. True in part, but also goes for many countries in the middle east, as well as africa and others. However the flip side is that a higher percentage of expats here get to live a much higher quality of life here than they would at home. There are some people here who would appear to be "suffering" who have managed to build "mansions" back home. It is just a shame that the media can always shine a huge light on all the negatives, run with it, and never the positives. In fairness in this day and age everyone coming here should know what they are signing up for, the customs and culture etc. I have personally been "victim" to certain "unfair" practices myself to a lesser extent, but the positives far outweigh the negatives for me. In all honestly all countries/governments have their shady and secretive sides. If you follow the Western Media, for people who have no real idea about this side of the world, you would think women and children are being abused and burned in the streets, and whipped. When in truth you can go to a nightclub, get pissed, pickup hookers, party with locals etc etc (Obviously off topic but you get the point). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 You're a westerner though JV - you live in a completely different world to a Nepali semi-slave working on a stadium. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Jareth said: Tony Blair, illegal war, thousands killed, thanks to the squeaky clean and oh so ethical UK government. Point being, the Chinese are a great bunch of lads. I'm quite well aware of the Iraq war, what led up to it and its aftermath. You're very much creating a real straw man of an argument if you're crapping on about a 'squeaky clean and oh so ethical UK government'. I've not seen anyone argue that and I've not seen anyone argue that the UK government is perfect with regard to human rights - in fact you can head on over to Off Topic to see a great many criticisms of the current UK government and of former UK governments in many areas (not least the area of human rights). You'll see those posts from a great many people on this messageboard (including me). As per previous posts, it's not relevant in terms of the Villa unless it turns out that the ownership is connected to the Chinese government but, worryingly, we seem to be seeing quite a lot of revisionism about the Chinese government/authorities in this thread and others in this section of the site (even if some of it is not totally serious). Edited June 13, 2016 by snowychap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 3 minutes ago, snowychap said: I'm quite well aware of the Iraq war, what led up to it and its aftermath. You're very much creating a real straw man of an argument if you're crapping on about a 'squeaky clean and oh so ethical UK government'. I've not seen anyone argue that and I've not seen anyone argue that the UK government is perfect with regard to human rights - in fact you can head on over to Off Topic to see a great many criticisms of the current UK government and of former UK governments in many areas (not least the area of human rights). You'll see those posts from a great many people on this messageboard (including me). As per previous posts, it's not relevant in terms of the Villa unless it turns out that the ownership is connected to the Chinese government but, worryingly, we seem to be seeing quite a lot of revisionism about the Chinese government/authorities in this thread and others in this section of the site (even if some of it is not totally serious). Well I shall definitely be thinking about the overall Chinese government record on human rights when Aston Villa, of Aston, owned by a Chinese business person who seems a great lad, are winning the premier league in five years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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