Richard Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 I know that some people have said short term just to get us out and lets change again in two years once we are up and stabilised but I just dont go with that approach at all. I'd want someone for immediate term, medium term and potentially a bit longer to be honest. This chopping and changing is no good 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 1 hour ago, bobzy said: Actual facts go against what you're saying, but sure. From this season, the top 3 teams all had managers with experience in that league - 2 of them had won it, one of them made the playoff final last year. You can argue whatever you want but you have to admit that surely it's less risky to hire somebody with a good track record in this division? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 1 minute ago, lexicon said: From this season, the top 3 teams all had managers with experience in that league - 2 of them had won it, one of them made the playoff final last year. You can argue whatever you want but you have to admit that surely it's less risky to hire somebody with a good track record in this division? You're citing Sean Dyche here who, when appointed at Burnley, had not won the Championship and promptly got them promoted. You're also citing Chris Hughton who, when appointed at Newcastle, had never even managed in the Championship and promptly got them promoted in record time. I think it's less risky to hire somebody with a good track record full stop, rather than obsessing over what they're done in the division. It ties in with this whole "English manager" stuff - just not as important as people make out, at all. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Platt Posted May 20, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted May 20, 2016 3 hours ago, Jareth said: RDM actually looks a bit Chinese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan-scott Posted May 20, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted May 20, 2016 2 hours ago, Stevo985 said: He lives in leamington. If anything, him being at the airport is bad news as it probably means he's jetting off somewhere else! Maybe heading out to China!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 45 minutes ago, bobzy said: You're citing Sean Dyche here who, when appointed at Burnley, had not won the Championship and promptly got them promoted. You're also citing Chris Hughton who, when appointed at Newcastle, had never even managed in the Championship and promptly got them promoted in record time. I think it's less risky to hire somebody with a good track record full stop, rather than obsessing over what they're done in the division. It ties in with this whole "English manager" stuff - just not as important as people make out, at all. Neither club were in the position we find ourselves in - Newcastle were up for sale and Ashley didn't want to hire a manager while that was the case, Burnley don't have the financial clout (or certainly don't like spending) to make as safe an appointment as we can. Both of them worked out and there's no reason why we couldn't hire someone with no track record in the Championship and he could work too but I just think it's safer to go with someone who knows the division and what to do to get out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 43 minutes ago, lexicon said: Neither club were in the position we find ourselves in - Newcastle were up for sale and Ashley didn't want to hire a manager while that was the case, Burnley don't have the financial clout (or certainly don't like spending) to make as safe an appointment as we can. Both of them worked out and there's no reason why we couldn't hire someone with no track record in the Championship and he could work too but I just think it's safer to go with someone who knows the division and what to do to get out of it. Neil Warnock. Harry Redknapp. Malky Mackay. Brian McDermott. I fail to see how taking any of those on (all fairly recently won promotion from the Championship) would be a decent managerial appointment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 They're obviously not good candidates though. You're sort of inventing things now. It's quite obviously not the only consideration when you are looking for a manager. I know you're spoiling for an argument here but I just can't be bothered if you're going to just put words in my mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 RDM 'S assistant won't be joining RDM at his next club - he's promised to work with some other Geezer.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 6 hours ago, lexicon said: We categorically should not be looking at managers who haven't got a team promoted from the championship before. We desperately need experience of success and know-how next season. Not spoiling for an argument lexicon, just wondering what makes you so strongly convinced of the above, original quote - specifically the bit in bold. I've cited examples of managers who did not have this prerequisite yet have done well (Hughton at Newcastle probably being the most "similar" - he got them promoted in record time) and also managers who do have this prerequisite but I think would be poor appointments. Not too sure how that's putting words in your mouth (did I even say you backed Neil Warnock etc?!), but I'd certainly hope the recruitment process is not as limited as you're suggesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bose Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 (edited) Well we can rule out Rodgers, just been appointed manager at Celtic. https://twitter.com/celticfc/status/733689886222475265/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw Edited May 20, 2016 by bose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 2 minutes ago, bose said: Well we can rule out Rodgers, just been appointed manager at Celtic. https://twitter.com/celticfc/status/733689886222475265/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw Oh joy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czechlad Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 6 minutes ago, bose said: Well we can rule out Rodgers, just been appointed manager at Celtic. https://twitter.com/celticfc/status/733689886222475265/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw This just redirects me to this Villatalk page we are on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bose Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 Just now, Czechlad said: This just redirects me to this Villatalk page we are on. Sorry about that, think I've fixed it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 Indeed you have. Lads who have quoted the original web address please make sure this is also amended. Thank you very much for your cooperation in this matter. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 Pity would have liked Rodgers, never mind. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 Well Moyes remains an option then... if Everton dont come in for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czechlad Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 I don't get why Rodgers took the Celtic job. The cons out weigh the pros. If he doesn't finish first with Celtic, then he did a poor job. Now that Rangers are back in the SPL, this will make things harder. Also people will expect Celtic to do better in the champions league so more pressure. Strange one for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 Just now, Czechlad said: I don't get why Rodgers took the Celtic job. The cons out weigh the pros. If he doesn't finish first with Celtic, then he did a poor job. Now that Rangers are back in the SPL, this will make things harder. Also people will expect Celtic to do better in the champions league so more pressure. Strange one for me. Well they are not a big step up from where we are currently They are a club that plays championship level football domestically and gets champions league football by default so maybe that's what made him go there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czechlad Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 1 minute ago, AshVilla said: Well they are not a big step up from where we are currently They are a club that plays championship level football domestically and gets champions league football by default so maybe that's what made him go there I am not saying anything about Celtic going for Rodgers, I am wondering why Rodgers accepted it. Good for Celtic getting a manager with Brendan's quality. Honestly that's impressive. It just doesn't make sense to me why Brendan would take the job. I guess the equivalent would be someone like LVG taking over West Brom. There would be a lot bigger risk of failure with a job like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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