kurtsimonw Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 Agreed. Even Lambert and Sherwood had miracle finishes in a shit season. Lambert also has experience in the Championship, got teams promoted. Would we have him back? No. He's not a lunatic, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 18 minutes ago, kurtsimonw said: Agreed. Even Lambert and Sherwood had miracle finishes in a shit season. Lambert also has experience in the Championship, got teams promoted. Would we have him back? No. He's not a lunatic, either. his signings of grant holt, kieran richardson and tonev might suggest otherwise 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7392craig Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 17 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: This is now a pointless argument, the people who simply don't like Pearson will come up with even the most ludicrous of claims to fit whatever narrative they have. EG. Di Matteo wins Champions League with Chelsea "wasnt his team". Mourinho has shocking results for half season gets sacked "he has been treated unfairly", the players need to answer. All info can be skewed to fit any view. This has been done to death. As you have said, the Leicester team under Pearson were grossly unlucky over the course of that season, and they were putting in performances, as well as the fantastic run of momentum. BOTH Pearson and Ranieri, whom I both like, deserve credit. I'm not trying to force opinions to prove my argument, I just don't rate Pearson as a top level manager, the stats back up my argument, they weren't winning games. I think had he kept the job, Leicester would be down by the relegation places again. He put most of that team together but Ranieri is the only one who I think deserves credit for this season. But as you say, it is a pointless argument purely based on the fact it's all hypothetical, he never kept the job and he probably won't be joining us either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDuck Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 5 hours ago, 7392craig said: Also I don't want a lunatic managing my club. Someone who grabs players by the throat, tells fans to "f**k off and die", and was constantly outspoken in the media. What few positives the man may have do not outweigh the negatives. This seems to be the main reason people don't want Pearson, cos his actual record makes him look a pretty good fit for the job if you ask me. Mind you, I don't get the problem with being "outspoken in the media" - Ferguson, Clough, Mourinho......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V01 Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 If the criteria is experience in the Championship and the Champions League then it leaves Moyes, Rodgers and Di Matteo. I think I'd prefer Rodgers out of the three, Moyes wouldn't be a bad shout but his teams are not interesting to watch at all. Can't we be greedy and tempt someone like Bielsa, Murat Yakin or Lucien Favre? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubby Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 15 hours ago, cyrusr said: However at the moment might be seeing who could pull in. With talk of different budgets perhaps trying to tempt Rafa Benitez from Newcastle? Clearly seems to be indicating he is happy to manage in Championship so long as there is money and ambition which appears to be the issue for Newcastle... Maybe could be persuaded... Was wondering if this might be a possibility myself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 I think it's pretty naive to think that one manager can take you from the Championship to the Champions League. It's a case of horses for courses and creating a style of play/philosophy at the club that will allow us to change managers when needed without disrupting things massively. I don't think Di Matteo would be a good choice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubby Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 7 hours ago, Villastine said: The importance of who we hire as our next manager pales in comparison to the importance of putting the right structures in place for the club to succeed. We don't need to reinvent the wheel just copy Southampton, Swansea, Watford or Leicester etc. For me the manager is as important as the structure for success that is implemented. This was always lacking under Randy which led to some terrible decision making. The right manager will make it work. As for who to copy... copy no one, be Aston Villa and have others copy us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_c Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 33 minutes ago, MrDuck said: This seems to be the main reason people don't want Pearson, cos his actual record makes him look a pretty good fit for the job if you ask me. Mind you, I don't get the problem with being "outspoken in the media" - Ferguson, Clough, Mourinho......... Those three were always completely in control when talking with the press. Pearson was not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 My worry with Pearson if things fall apart he falls apart. Look at his interviews at the end of games he comes across stupid. One interview if I remember correctly involved a decision against Leicester and the reporter asked him if he has or intends to speak to the ref. peArsons response was whupy would I want to talk to him for, he is one if huge most arrogant people I have ever met. yeah it's concerning. I would prefer moyes, Rodgers or rdm to Pearson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villastine Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 For me the manager is as important as the structure for success that is implemented. This was always lacking under Randy which led to some terrible decision making. The right manager will make it work. As for who to copy... copy no one, be Aston Villa and have others copy us Look managers are for the most part short term appointments. If we put the right structures in place any one of RDM, McCarthy, Pearson, Flores and a whole host of others can get us promoted. The right structures avoids the owner making poor decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralJazzman Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 5 hours ago, kurtsimonw said: Agreed. Even Lambert and Sherwood had miracle finishes in a shit season. Lambert also has experience in the Championship, got teams promoted. Would we have him back? No. He's not a lunatic, either. I think he did well under the restrictions he probably had enforced upon him. The poor signings were more trying to get the best value in a very limited time for us. Look at what happened after. I feel if Lambo had not plummeted that season, got the Benteke money, it would have been better spent. Lambert now would potentially be a different story, but that ain't happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted May 20, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted May 20, 2016 7 hours ago, 7392craig said: What few positives the man may have do not outweigh the negatives. This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 Pearson is a dingleberry. There are many, many managers I'd take before him. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 Olof is doing a cracking job so far. Unbeaten in the first 6 games of the season and winning 5. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 1 hour ago, jon_c said: Those three were always completely in control when talking with the press. Pearson was not. They are also 3 of the best managers of all time. Pearson is... Not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dn1982 Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 1 hour ago, lexicon said: I think it's pretty naive to think that one manager can take you from the Championship to the Champions League. It's a case of horses for courses and creating a style of play/philosophy at the club that will allow us to change managers when needed without disrupting things massively. I don't think Di Matteo would be a good choice. That depends who the manager is. If you get a big name manager to drop down it's entirely feasible but if you got a lower league manager just to get you up you'd be in for a change at some point. I think Pearson would be ideal for the next 2/3 years but a Moyes may not be as good in the next 12 months but would be bett in the longer run. These are just examples but it all depends on the owners ambition and belief we can get up first attempt. No point in appointing a top manager if he can't get us up first time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 6 hours ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: This is now a pointless argument, the people who simply don't like Pearson will come up with even the most ludicrous of claims to fit whatever narrative they have. EG. Di Matteo wins Champions League with Chelsea "wasnt his team". Mourinho has shocking results for half season gets sacked "he has been treated unfairly", the players need to answer. All info can be skewed to fit any view. This has been done to death. Neither of those claims are ludicrous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 (edited) 3 minutes ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: Neither of those claims are ludicrous. But then on that basis if if wasnt RDM team, Sherwood shouldnt take credit for keeping us up as it wasn't "his team" I find that argument ridiculous tbh. If your appointed manager and you win something you should get praise for that not be dismissed for it in my eyes Edited May 20, 2016 by Demitri_C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: But then on that basis if if wasnt RDM team, Sherwood shouldnt take credit for keeping us up as it wasn't "his team" I find that argument ridiculous tbh. If your appointed manager and you win something you should get praise for that not be dismissed for it in my eyes Sherwood is a shit manager. So whilst the claim might not be fully rounded out, it could form the basis of a solid argument against RDM. Which I'm not about to make. It's not ludicrous. Neither is suggesting Pearson didn't do a good enough job to balance out the negatives. Edited May 20, 2016 by dont_do_it_doug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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