AVFC_Hitz Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 As I perused a (very informative) cucumber information site to add some puns to this thread, I was overcome by the amount of Kenneths there are. So I had to stop. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted February 22, 2023 Administrator Share Posted February 22, 2023 2 hours ago, LondonLax said: Not directly related to this discussion but it is a bit of a problem for the planet when we all expect our supermarkets to look like those pictures even though it’s February. Most of this stuff will have either been grown under lights or flown in from afar. The whole idea of eating local and seasonal has long disappeared. I'm not sure that's true for supermarkets in France. Much of it will have be from Provence or Spain. I agree in general about food miles though. If people want strawberries all year round, they need to be a lot more expensive out of season. But now I've made this off topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted February 22, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted February 22, 2023 Iirc Spain is the biggest veg grower in Europe, or near enough is. There's huge tracts of Spain just covered in poly tunnels growing all sorts of veg that is ungrowable in most conditions year round elsewhere. This crisis suggests that Morocco is following suit (no shock - I'm sure they're part of the EU's 'local neighborhood border country' policies which will give them an in to providing food into Europe). Another Brexit benefit though is revealed in this field - make it that bit harder for produce to come in and if they have problems at the production end, you'll get it even harder than anyone else. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted February 22, 2023 Author Moderator Share Posted February 22, 2023 37 minutes ago, Chindie said: IThere's huge tracts of Spain just covered in poly tunnels growing all sorts of veg that is ungrowable in most conditions year round elsewhere. Yep. Visible from space, they're that big. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted February 22, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted February 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Chindie said: Iirc Spain is the biggest veg grower in Europe, or near enough is. There's huge tracts of Spain just covered in poly tunnels growing all sorts of veg that is ungrowable in most conditions year round elsewhere. This crisis suggests that Morocco is following suit (no shock - I'm sure they're part of the EU's 'local neighborhood border country' policies which will give them an in to providing food into Europe). Another Brexit benefit though is revealed in this field - make it that bit harder for produce to come in and if they have problems at the production end, you'll get it even harder than anyone else. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 The Netherlands is also a huge food producer but it’s grown indoors there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 4 minutes ago, LondonLax said: The Netherlands is also a huge food producer but it’s grown indoors there. Edibles. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sidcow Posted February 22, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted February 22, 2023 Asda Shirley totally out of a lot of vedge and fruit. Maybe we can introduce rationing again. A Brexit bonus. We've never had it so good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 1 minute ago, sidcow said: Asda Shirley totally out of a lot of vedge and fruit. Maybe we can introduce rationing again. A Brexit bonus. We've never had it so good. Brexit voters wanted WWII again didn’t they, now they’ve got it. The good old days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enda Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 Fwiw no shortage of tomatoes in our local shop here in the west of Ireland. I do think it’s a Brexit thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted February 22, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted February 22, 2023 3 hours ago, Genie said: Brexit voters wanted WWII again didn’t they, now they’ve got it. The good old days. Dried egg and stumpets using gravy browning as tan on their legs. Damn those Yanks and their nylons and chocolate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted February 23, 2023 Moderator Share Posted February 23, 2023 13 hours ago, Seat68 said: Toamtoes are seen as a moneymaker so it pays for Big Supermarket to have them in stock. You missed the opportunity to go with Big Shop there. Peter Kay would be disappointed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted February 23, 2023 Author Moderator Share Posted February 23, 2023 9 hours ago, Follyfoot said: strumpets using gravy browning as tan on their legs Bisto - because you’re worth it! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 It's funny watching Brexiteers scramble around for reasons that unprecedently shit situations, not seen between 1945 and 2016 are not the result of the thing they voted for in 2016. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted February 23, 2023 Author Moderator Share Posted February 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Wainy316 said: It's funny watching Brexiteers scramble around for reasons that unprecedently shit situations, not seen between 1945 and 2016 are not the result of the thing they voted for in 2016. It is, though I’d phrase it differently. Like this vegetable shortage. It’s not because of Brexit, it’s just made worse by Brexit. The high cost of energy due to Russia/Ukraine meant that growers in the uk and Holland have not been heating all their greenhouses, leaving some empty, so fewer local veg. The bad weather in Morocco and Spain has meant reduced yields. None of that is Brexit. In the UK the tories subsidised botanic garden greenhouse heating costs, but not food growing greenhouse costs. Stupid government. Yet Brexit also plays a part, due to a shortage of pickers, due to visa issues. It’s also meant that while Morocco can carry on sending produce to central hubs in the EU for onward distribution, they now also have to separately send direct to the uk, with another load of paperwork and admin and costs and it’s not worth it, given they have less produce overall. So like a huge array of things, Brexit has made it worse and you’re right, Brexiters just deny and ignore and seek to distract from the damage they’ve caused. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicho Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, blandy said: It is, though I’d phrase it differently. Like this vegetable shortage. It’s not because of Brexit, it’s just made worse by Brexit. The high cost of energy due to Russia/Ukraine meant that growers in the uk and Holland have not been heating all their greenhouses, leaving some empty, so fewer local veg. The bad weather in Morocco and Spain has meant reduced yields. None of that is Brexit. In the UK the tories subsidised botanic garden greenhouse heating costs, but not food growing greenhouse costs. Stupid government. Yet Brexit also plays a part, due to a shortage of pickers, due to visa issues. It’s also meant that while Morocco can carry on sending produce to central hubs in the EU for onward distribution, they now also have to separately send direct to the uk, with another load of paperwork and admin and costs and it’s not worth it, given they have less produce overall. So like a huge array of things, Brexit has made it worse and you’re right, Brexiters just deny and ignore and seek to distract from the damage they’ve caused. Great summary. Putting it like this to my parents all they would hear is then non brexit bits. We have our sovereignty back and that is worth it for everything else now. edit: and to mention their spin on it would be if these things wernt happening brexit would be deemed a success. Edited February 23, 2023 by Nicho 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 22 minutes ago, blandy said: It is, though I’d phrase it differently. Like this vegetable shortage. It’s not because of Brexit, it’s just made worse by Brexit. The high cost of energy due to Russia/Ukraine meant that growers in the uk and Holland have not been heating all their greenhouses, leaving some empty, so fewer local veg. The bad weather in Morocco and Spain has meant reduced yields. None of that is Brexit. In the UK the tories subsidised botanic garden greenhouse heating costs, but not food growing greenhouse costs. Stupid government. Yet Brexit also plays a part, due to a shortage of pickers, due to visa issues. It’s also meant that while Morocco can carry on sending produce to central hubs in the EU for onward distribution, they now also have to separately send direct to the uk, with another load of paperwork and admin and costs and it’s not worth it, given they have less produce overall. So like a huge array of things, Brexit has made it worse and you’re right, Brexiters just deny and ignore and seek to distract from the damage they’ve caused. Spot on. I'd also add the extra context that the companies who run the operations that get stuff out of Morocco and into Europe are Spanish. So to all intents and purposes, it's not even Morocco deciding which markets to prioritise and having to send produce directly to the UK. Morocco are still sending everything to Algeciras, from where the Spanish companies decide which markets to service. Anecdotally, my experience out this morning was plenty of tomatoes in Sainsbury's and a huge, groaning pile of them at my local green-grocer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted February 23, 2023 Administrator Share Posted February 23, 2023 46 minutes ago, ml1dch said: Anecdotally, my experience out this morning was plenty of tomatoes in Sainsbury's and a huge, groaning pile of them at my local green-grocer. My local farm shop was fully stocked. Locally produced tomatoes too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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