ml1dch Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 (edited) On 31/12/2018 at 22:42, ml1dch said: Other way, sure. Check everything right down to the wooden pallets and the driver's sandwiches. Edit: my New Year's Eve 2018 was clearly a raucous affair. Edited July 21, 2020 by ml1dch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 How can Aaron banks not be influenced?! His Father in law works in the Russian govt / military, it’s the least conspiratorial conspiracy of all time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 27 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: How can Aaron banks not be influenced?! His Father in law works in the Russian govt / military, it’s the least conspiratorial conspiracy of all time. I'm really not comfortable with 'someone you are related to works in the Russian government, therefore you are suspicious', and historically that has not been a progressive line of thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 46 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: I'm really not comfortable with 'someone you are related to works in the Russian government, therefore you are suspicious', and historically that has not been a progressive line of thought. Okay cool. The smoke and fire method works just fine for me, personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted July 21, 2020 Moderator Share Posted July 21, 2020 I'm not sure I quite understand the vote that happened on parliamentary oversight for Clause 17. The house voted against giving themselves a deciding say on trade deals, is that correct? In doing so have they accepted the sale of NHS services to American interests by removing protections against it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 6 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: Okay cool. The smoke and fire method works just fine for me, personally. Rare to see someone publicly admit to being a McCarthyite, but thanks for putting your cards on the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: I'm not sure I quite understand the vote that happened on parliamentary oversight for Clause 17. The house voted against giving themselves a deciding say on trade deals, is that correct? In doing so have they accepted the sale of NHS services to American interests by removing protections against it? For all his faults, Corbyn was absolutely right that the government's plan was to allow American healthcare companies to exploit the NHS. It's not even the first time tory MPs have voted against giving parliament a say, they'd mostly be quite happy to take their £70k a year and sit there quietly, not rocking the boat, letting Johnson and Cummings do as they please. Some of these words removed are the ones who've been shouting from the rooftops about the importance of Parliamentary sovereignty, only to give it away to the cabinet at every opportunity. Who were the traitors, again? Edited July 21, 2020 by Davkaus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolta Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 Talking about smoke and fire, Aaron Banks must surely now regret trying to pre-empt his appearance in the Russia report. It's hardly the actions of someone guilt-free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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OutByEaster? Posted July 21, 2020 Moderator Share Posted July 21, 2020 So here's the clause: https://www.theyworkforyou.com/debates/?id=2020-07-20a.1948.0 With a section below: Quote 2) The condition in this subsection is that no provision of that international trade agreement in any way undermines or restricts the ability of an appropriate authority— (a) to provide a comprehensive publicly funded health service free at the point of delivery, (b) to protect the employment rights or terms and conditions of employment for public sectoremployees and those working in publicly funded health or care sectors, (c) to regulate and maintain the quality and safety of health or care services, (d) to regulate and control the pricing and reimbursement systems for the purchase of medicines or medical devices, or (e) to regulate and maintain the level of protection afforded in relation to patient data, public health data and publicly provided social care data relating to UK citizens. And here's a list of the MP's that voted for it: https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/full-list-of-mps-who-voted-against-the-nhs-being-protected-from-foreign-control-in-brexit-trade-deals/21/07/ All of them Conservatives, all of them under the watchful eye of Johnson and Cummings no doubt. The NHS is firmly on the table in trade talks. Why isn't this news? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 Has Boris ever said something that wasn't a lie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 To think that even recently we were still debating whether all tories were pricks. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 Quote Government response says: "A retrospective assessment of the EU referendum is not necessary". Because you'll hang? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted July 21, 2020 Author Moderator Share Posted July 21, 2020 1 hour ago, HanoiVillan said: I'm really not comfortable with 'someone you are related to works in the Russian government, therefore you are suspicious', and historically that has not been a progressive line of thought. That's not quite what @bannedfromHandV said, but I feel that it's frequently a line of thought used by "progressives" and indeed people from all spectrums. I do it, you do it, we all do it - "I see the wife of this Tory MP is on the board of Big PLC, that raises the suspicion that..." or whatever. It also forms the basis for "declaring an interest, for security clearances and all kinds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted July 21, 2020 Author Moderator Share Posted July 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: To think that even recently we were still debating whether all tories were pricks. The argument's resolved then - some of them rebelled and voted against . The evidence from the sample is that most tories are... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 It’s just putting two and two together, doesn’t mean it amounts to four every time of course but it looks suspect on the surface for sure. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Davkaus Posted July 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 21, 2020 You can understand why they withdrew the whip from the guy that stopped them putting a stooge in charge of the committee can't you? It's covering their arse all the way down. "Did you find any evidence of a foreign state interfering with a vote on one of the biggest constitutional changes the nation has even been through, from which the government has profited immensely? " "We found absolutely no evidence of interference" "Well it seems there should be some, how didn't you find it?" "We didn't look" 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 There's a million Turks coming! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 There's nothing virtuous about Brexit. Greed, lies and treachery enabled by stupidity. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enda Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 In an effort to cut red tape the UK is set to unveil its new standards certification system, “UKCA”, to replace the EU’s CE mark. Thing is, if you want to sell to the EU, you’ll need both. The most Brexity story imaginable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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