HanoiVillan Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 2 minutes ago, V01 said: Scotland's place in Europe is currently as part of the UK, How exactly can they leave and say they're still in the EU? Well, we don't know if they can or can't. As I said, it's unprecedented. At the end of the day, it would probably depend whether the other EU members wanted Scotland in. It's their club, they can make up the rules as they go along. My personal feeling is that there won't even be another referendum, as the conditions aren't right for a Yes vote, but we're all just guessing here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabby Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Sturgeon is moving so quickly as she is attempting to get Scotland into the EU by remaining under the UK conditions , basically not having to go through full application as for one their current deficit would not allow them membership.One of issues in the INDY vote in 2014 is the SNP couldn't gurantee and indy Scotland could join the EU so sensing this oppounity she is going to argue to stay in EU then go for Indy Ref2 . That still doesn't eliminate the issue of Barnet Formula payment loss and diminishing Oil returns for example or that this time the argument of the pound is mute , they would have to take the Euro.They also export something like 80% to the rest of UK so then independent and part of the EU they would have to abide with any trade deal the EU does with the remaining UK It's an opportunist move on her part as like Farage and UKIP the SNP soley exist to get away from the UK , England Re running the vote , no chance really 2mil is still 15mil off the winning vote so its a not starter.Also consider that as soon as the leave announcement came through Junker was quick to point out the new terms of membership agreed in Feb were off the table.The EU at that level who never wanted to negotiate new terms in first place are happy we are out.Merkal on other hand has asked for calm and time to debate terms. The Torys are likely to appointment a new leader than call a GE.Until that happens ( and Corybn is likely replaced ) the negotiations won't start despite Junkers attempts to rush it through. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Spain will veto any and every plan Scotland come up with, they've not got a hope of entering the EU on their own. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post andyh Posted June 25, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted June 25, 2016 1 hour ago, OutByEaster? said: No he doesn't! Farage knows full well this isn't one in the eye for big corporations, he is the embodiment of big corporations - spouting his everyman bullshit in the hope of appealing to the lowest common denominator in our societies whilst blatantly serving the interests of those that caused the issues in the first place - he's an outright liar chuckling to himself and his chums about the gullibility of the common man. Millionaire privately educated stockbroker Nigel Farage cares as much about the common man as I care about the result of the East Anglia under 14's cup final. I wonder how many council estate pubs he would be happy to visit and have a pint with the locals, if he didn't have his minders, entourage or TV cameras with him? Would he be happy to walk around estate shopping centres and chat to all the single mothers and grannies if it weren't being filmed or reported on? would he ****. he wouldn't want to dirty himself. he has pandered to the lowest classes in the country, tapped into their prejudices and fears and milked them. but if one of these 'honest and decent people' knocked on his door, I'm sure he'd tell them to **** off, off his property. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 19 minutes ago, Davkaus said: Spain will veto any and every plan Scotland come up with, they've not got a hope of entering the EU on their own. What's the reasoning for this? Merely asking out of ignorance. Concern over precedent for Catalonia alone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 I see David lam ya has called on a vote to "overturn this madness" first time in how many years I have agreed with a labour mp. But won't happen the riots that would happen if that was the case. cant believe how many thick people voted as a protest vote out against government. Hope they suffer the most for all the problems we are going to have short term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted June 25, 2016 Moderator Share Posted June 25, 2016 David lam ya? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Think it's David Lammy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabby Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 15 minutes ago, Rodders said: What's the reasoning for this? Merely asking out of ignorance. Concern over precedent for Catalonia alone? Catalonia is the correct answer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: I see David lam ya has called on a vote to "overturn this madness" Bit of a stupid thing to say, i thought remain voters were meant to be highly intelligent. Not a chance in hell. Edited June 25, 2016 by AshVilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post gharperr Posted June 25, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted June 25, 2016 (edited) Stolen from reddit.....Interesting read though. Was in comment section of guardian. Probably all been said already in this thread but ive been out of it for awhile Quote If Boris Johnson looked downbeat yesterday, that is because he realises that he has lost. Perhaps many Brexiters do not realise it yet, but they have actually lost, and it is all down to one man: David Cameron. With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership. How? Throughout the campaign, Cameron had repeatedly said that a vote for leave would lead to triggering Article 50 straight away. Whether implicitly or explicitly, the image was clear: he would be giving that notice under Article 50 the morning after a vote to leave. Whether that was scaremongering or not is a bit moot now but, in the midst of the sentimental nautical references of his speech yesterday, he quietly abandoned that position and handed the responsibility over to his successor. And as the day wore on, the enormity of that step started to sink in: the markets, Sterling, Scotland, the Irish border, the Gibraltar border, the frontier at Calais, the need to continue compliance with all EU regulations for a free market, re-issuing passports, Brits abroad, EU citizens in Britain, the mountain of legistlation to be torn up and rewritten ... the list grew and grew. The referendum result is not binding. It is advisory. Parliament is not bound to commit itself in that same direction. The Conservative party election that Cameron triggered will now have one question looming over it: will you, if elected as party leader, trigger the notice under Article 50? Who will want to have the responsibility of all those ramifications and consequences on his/her head and shoulders? Boris Johnson knew this yesterday, when he emerged subdued from his home and was even more subdued at the press conference. He has been out-maneouvered and check-mated. If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over - Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession ... broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act. The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice. When Boris Johnson said there was no need to trigger Article 50 straight away, what he really meant to say was "never". When Michael Gove went on and on about "informal negotiations" ... why? why not the formal ones straight away? ... he also meant not triggering the formal departure. They both know what a formal demarche would mean: an irreversible step that neither of them is prepared to take. All that remains is for someone to have the guts to stand up and say that Brexit is unachievable in reality without an enormous amount of pain and destruction, that cannot be borne. And David Cameron has put the onus of making that statement on the heads of the people who led the Brexit campaign. Edited June 25, 2016 by gharperr 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 HSBC to potentially move 1000 jobs to Paris if UK leave single market Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 35 minutes ago, gharperr said: Stolen from reddit.....Interesting read though. Was in comment section of guardian. Probably all been said already in this thread but ive been out of it for awhile Interesting read. I don't blame Cameron for not invoking Article 50. Let someone else take that step. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V01 Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 The longer we can drag it out the better, no point doing it until we have a plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 (edited) 2 minutes ago, V01 said: The longer we can drag it out the better, no point doing it until we have a plan. ...and leave campaigned without an actual plan, how **** hilarious. Edited June 25, 2016 by Dr_Pangloss 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mjmooney Posted June 25, 2016 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted June 25, 2016 It wasn't just protest voting, it was protest campaigning. They never thought they would actually win - hence Farage initially 'conceding' before a single vote was in. The joke backfired. This will go down in history as the stupidest political blunder of all time. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 2 hours ago, Davkaus said: Spain will veto any and every plan Scotland come up with, they've not got a hope of entering the EU on their own. I can perfectly understand Spain's reasoning for why they wanted to veto Scotland's chance to stay in the EU two years ago, they wanted to punish potential break away provinces as a warning to for Catalonia. They were saying 'If you leave the UK you must also leave the EU'. This situation is a little different though. Scotland are trying to maintain their current union with Spain but are being forced to break it off against their wishes. I can see Spain being a bit more sympathetic to that point of view. It no longer holds a direct parallel with Catalonia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mockingbird_franklin Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 2 hours ago, gharperr said: Stolen from reddit.....Interesting read though. Was in comment section of guardian. Probably all been said already in this thread but ive been out of it for awhile I'd had though re camerons resigntion without invoking article 50 along these very lines very soon after he did so, though I never fleshed it out like this one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mockingbird_franklin Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 just browsing my facebook feed and it looks like now we are leaving the EU, we can have misleading inaccurate meme's posted all over facebook about us.already a good demonstration of the new wave of asperation, isn't it good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderPower_14 Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 6 hours ago, Xela said: HSBC to potentially move 1000 jobs to Paris if UK leave single market My sister is a dual Australian/British citizen working for Morgan Stanley in London, with her contract up at the end of the year and a heap of uncertainty about what happens next for her and her colleagues, with talks that the offices will move to Dublin or Frankfurt depending on trading agreements Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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