DeadlyDirk Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 Was thinking about this the other day, another factor being we've already got 1 non-eu keeper in Guzan, so was wondering if this played a part in the appeal process.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 http://lmgtfy.com/?q=hanlon%27s+razor This is why I love Villatalk. You learn something new every day. "never assume malice when stupidity will suffice" And there we have the story of the Lerner regime. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboyangel Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 Meanwhile, Arsenal look to sign two teenage Nigerian lads and Hull look to sign a 30yr old Croatian keeper - bet they all get permits with ease. It's a flawed system... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 We've made ourselves into a small club. This is the sort of decision small clubs get. If Chelsea were getting this guy, there'd be no questions asked. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchard Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 Wasn't Tom Fox telling us all about his fantastic scouting system put in place with Paddy Reilly? That they were there in case the manager identified players but needed alternatives. I'm sure they can kick in now and find someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_c Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 45 minutes ago, theboyangel said: Meanwhile, Arsenal look to sign two teenage Nigerian lads and Hull look to sign a 30yr old Croatian keeper - bet they all get permits with ease. It's a flawed system... Yeah, Hull have a 31 year old Bosnian 'keeper who has only ever played two u21 games at international level. Someone please explain how that work permit got through, if Kalinic's doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calcifer Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 Wasn't Tom Fox telling us all about his fantastic scouting system put in place with Paddy Reilly? That they were there in case the manager identified players but needed alternatives. I'm sure they can kick in now and find someone else. Tim fox aka Billy Bull $hitter! I don't believe a word that comes out that blokes mouth! He could fertilise farmers fields for a couple of years with his bs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HanoiVillan Posted January 30, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted January 30, 2016 8 minutes ago, jon_c said: Yeah, Hull have a 31 year old Bosnian 'keeper who has only ever played two u21 games at international level. Someone please explain how that work permit got through, if Kalinic's doesn't. Sure, it's really easy, Jakupovic is a dual Bosnian/Swiss citizen, and therefore doesn't need a work permit due to his Swiss passport. Do I win anything? 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rds1983 Posted January 30, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted January 30, 2016 1 hour ago, HanoiVillan said: Sure, it's really easy, Jakupovic is a dual Bosnian/Swiss citizen, and therefore doesn't need a work permit due to his Swiss passport. Do I win anything? A gold star and two smiley face stickers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dounavilla Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 I will send you a sad smiley badge signed by Phillipe Senderos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 2 hours ago, Pilchard said: Wasn't Tom Fox telling us all about his fantastic scouting system put in place with Paddy Reilly? That they were there in case the manager identified players but needed alternatives. I'm sure they can kick in now and find someone else. I dread to see what they come up with, maybe a bid for Fabian Barthez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwj Posted February 3, 2016 Author Share Posted February 3, 2016 The FA ruling: http://www.thefa.com/news/governance/2016/feb/aston-villa-fa-exceptions-panel-governing-body-endorsement Quote Aston Villa applied to an FA Exceptions Panel for a Governing Body Endorsement (GBE) for a player the club was seeking to register before the end of the January 2016 transfer window. Certain players are required to obtain a GBE as part of the Home Office work permit application process. The Exceptions Panel refused the GBE and Aston Villa sought to challenge the decision by way of Rule K Arbitration, alleging, among other things, that the Exceptions Panel misapplied the GBE guidance. The club sought to set aside the decision at an arbitration which was held on Thursday 28 January 2016. The appointed independent sole arbitrator found in favour of The FA and dismissed the application. A copy of the decision (which has been redacted to remove certain sensitive information) can be found here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 We don't have any friends in high places. Nice one Randy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwj Posted February 3, 2016 Author Share Posted February 3, 2016 At least we didn't mess around, bringing out a QC for the appeal The conflict of interest accusation sounds tenuous, but really the points-based system is only part of the process, and it comes down to a subjective decision by the panel at the end of it, of which I'm a bit baffled how the goalkeeper for one of the biggest clubs in Croatia is not judge to be of a "sufficient calibre"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 3, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted February 3, 2016 (edited) If I've read that correctly, then Kalinic met the "points" requirement for a work permit, but the panel used their discretion to decide that he wasn't of a high enough calibre to gain a work permit and so didn't give their recommendation for a permit. Our argument was that if he met the points requirement, which is stage 1 of the application, then the discretion of the panel isn't valid as that is only applicable in stage 2 of the application, which is meant to be if Stage 1 is failed. i.e. we were saying the panel has the power to grant a permit (or rather a recommendation) on their discretion if the criteria aren't met in stage 1, but NOT the power to deny to recommend a permit if the criteria ARE met. The hearing concluded that we were wrong, basically, and that it was lawful for the panel to use their discretion to deny to make a recommendation. The conflict of interest sounds like it was just chucked in there as an extra in the hope that it might add to the case. But it's hard to tell with so much of that part redacted. Someone feel free to correct me as I didn't read it word for word so may have got the wrong end of the stick. Seems quite harsh if Kalinic met the criteria but was then denied it on the opinion of the panel. Edited February 3, 2016 by Stevo985 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunnski Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 I was told on here by a few people that it's nonsense that the Fa have it in for us, guess I was fairly spot on afterall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 That's mind blowing stuff. Isn't Paul Faulkner at the FA now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rds1983 Posted February 3, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted February 3, 2016 On first reading it does appear to say that Kalinic achieved the required points but the panel chose that he was not up to the neccessary quality and rejected his permit. If this is the case then I am very curious as to who was actually on the panel and how they decided he was not good enough? If they hold the power of veto irregardless off points acheived; based solely on their subjective ideas of his quality then this process is very dependant on who actually sits on the panel and is completely unfair and arbitrary. I am also very interested to know who the conflict of interest refers to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villastine Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 That's mind blowing stuff. Isn't Paul Faulkner at the FA now? Was the conflict of interest claim against Faulkner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 3, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted February 3, 2016 It sounds like the conflict of interest was extremely tenuous, so I don't imagine it's anybody closely related to the club. We even cited it as a "potential" conflict, which would indicate we weren't confident of that ourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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