samjp26 Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 12 minutes ago, Bunnski said: Was sure it said in the telegraph article that it was an fa panel. No it is independent, the player must be deemed good enough to play at the elite league (Premier League) and also deemed to be able to give a contribution to the development of the elite league (Premier League). My only guess can be that they do not think either of these things will happen, because we are planning for relegation and it is likely he will play no more than 3 months in the elite league (Premier League). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 He'll 99% be our first choice keeper and is denied, but I'm sure Man U would have no problem signing a 4th choice RB with the same qualifications. Joke system 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Quote You may remember the Tim Howard affair involving the talented young keeper – as he was then – who shone so brightly in a French Confederations Cup tournament and joined Manchester United, winning a work permit on appeal thanks it was said to the help of an obscure Italo-Swiss agent who was generously paid for his assistance. The Sunday Times disclosed that most of the money was passed on to an English agent in Monaco and then to Jason at Elite. But, as I was able to point out, as a frequent member of that Department of Employment appeals four man committee, no agent ever got anywhere near us. Read more at http://www.worldsoccer.com/columnists/brian-glanville/sepp-blatter-will-beneficiary-footballs-lack-leadership-359448#lhPPW8XTItmPwoFg.99 from Brian Glanville from World Soccer who has served on the panel before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Is this dead then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 On 1/23/2016 at 12:42, sne said: He'll 99% be our first choice keeper and is denied, but I'm sure Man U would have no problem signing a 4th choice RB with the same qualifications. Joke system Let's see what shite Chelsea pick up from non-EU European countries and South America over the next couple of years. I don't buy the age argument at all, I have no idea why being 17/18 should be more of a reason for a work permit over someone who is 25. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rds1983 Posted January 24, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted January 24, 2016 Watch him join Liverpool or United after the Euro's and have no issue with the work permit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 On 23/1/2016 at 12:10, samjp26 said: No it is independent, the player must be deemed good enough to play at the elite league (Premier League) and also deemed to be able to give a contribution to the development of the elite league (Premier League). My only guess can be that they do not think either of these things will happen, because we are planning for relegation and it is likely he will play no more than 3 months in the elite league (Premier League). If so I think we have to question how qualified this panel is to decide that a player we are prepared to buy is not good enough to play in the PL or to judge how likely we are to stay up (are they just using the bookies odds) or to guess how long he might play in the PL (do they anticipate he would not be coming straight back with us should we go down)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 On 1/23/2016 at 00:58, HanoiVillan said: Why are people still going on about tax? The alternative to Kalinic is not to play the rest of the season with no goalkeeper. It's to sign another one, sooner or later. Who'll be on similar wages. Which he will get taxed on. Unless he's got a clever accountant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samjp26 Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 21 hours ago, John said: If so I think we have to question how qualified this panel is to decide that a player we are prepared to buy is not good enough to play in the PL or to judge how likely we are to stay up (are they just using the bookies odds) or to guess how long he might play in the PL (do they anticipate he would not be coming straight back with us should we go down)? Well I guess that is the annoyance, but they're actually the rules as to how the appeals panel works, I guess each time the individuals will vary as will opinions - like how a jury come to a decision I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 19 minutes ago, samjp26 said: Well I guess that is the annoyance, but they're actually the rules as to how the appeals panel works, I guess each time the individuals will vary as will opinions - like how a jury come to a decision I guess. & the panel chairman may have connections with a club we would be looking to get above possibly for all we will ever know because no doubt the composition of the panel will never be disclosed. Looks like this one is done then. A pity for the player and for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney_avfc Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 Sky Sports reporting that the deal is not over and we are still in for him?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwj Posted January 26, 2016 Author Share Posted January 26, 2016 If the initial work permit ruling (not the appeal) is based off wages and/or fee as I've seen posted elsewhere, then I guess its just a case of upping the offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrissmith921 Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 First run was always going to fail due to the 75% internationals in the last 2 years thing. The appeal is a box ticking exercise - we as a club should employ the right people to make sure we tick these boxes when the time arrives. That's why he'll have no problem getting a visa to United or Liverpool - because they DO employ the right people who know how to use the rules to their benefit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rds1983 Posted January 26, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted January 26, 2016 Was there ever any official confirmation that his work permit was rejected or just the Twitter links that the Birmingham Mail picked up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 26, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted January 26, 2016 (edited) I'm losing (even more) confidence in the Mail after they printed rumours about Benteke returning, and then the following day printed a story saying the rumours being reported weren't true (as in we know better than the rumours) They were the only ones reporting it! Edited January 27, 2016 by Stevo985 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BOF Posted January 26, 2016 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted January 26, 2016 It's almost like they're unscrupulously trying to get people to view their pages. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney_avfc Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 Aston Villa back in for Lovre Kalinic after work permit issues scuppered original move. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3417626/Aston-Villa-Lovre-Kalinic-work-permit-issues-scuppered-original-move.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490 Daily Mail are reporting we are still pursuing him too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dounavilla Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 Are we into human trafficking as well now ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rds1983 Posted January 26, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted January 26, 2016 31 minutes ago, Barney_avfc said: Aston Villa back in for Lovre Kalinic after work permit issues scuppered original move. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3417626/Aston-Villa-Lovre-Kalinic-work-permit-issues-scuppered-original-move.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490 Daily Mail are reporting we are still pursuing him too. They probably read this forum for ideas too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 Seems like we can't get through a transfer window in the past few years without getting involved in some long-running saga. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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