blandy Posted November 22, 2020 Author Moderator Share Posted November 22, 2020 30 minutes ago, snowychap said: If someone voted for this government then they voted for all of the things that come with it. That’s a bit arguable. I mean expected stuff, yeah. But much of government ends up being reactive to unforeseen events. Pandemics, wars, Trump idiocy, Chinese abuse of minorities and Hong Kong democracy, Russian interference... Most voters Tory or otherwise can’t possibly know Blair will do a good war and help Kosovo and Bosnian folk, or a very naughty war ‘cus he besties with Dubya. Or Sunak will be chancellor and do spending loads on all kinds. All that stuff is beyond the likes of me to foresee anyway. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted November 22, 2020 Author Moderator Share Posted November 22, 2020 Just now, Xann said: Didn't think I could at that one, it seemed such a critical vote. It's got proper dark now. Though the web is doing a proper job of making it look darker still. Thing is here, Dave it’s rock solid Tory, 10,000+ majority every time. My vote is utterly wasted every time. I have the luxury/penalty of having not the slightest tiniest say in the outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 3 hours ago, bickster said: Seriously, it's like discussing religion with a Jehovas Witness. Assuming you're referring to me, can you explain what you mean here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 22, 2020 Moderator Share Posted November 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, darrenm said: Assuming you're referring to me, can you explain what you mean here? I wasn't refering to any one poster in particular Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 45 minutes ago, blandy said: That’s a bit arguable. It may be a bit arguable if you want to go down that route. That you're bending over backwards to find ways of excusing people from the responsibilities of how they cast their vote rather reinforces my prior objection(s). I think it's grim, frankly. But we're just going round in circles so we may as well stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted November 22, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted November 22, 2020 7 hours ago, darrenm said: Could it be that Labour's problem was never actually Corbyn? Or that the people who voted Labour because of Corbyn was roughly equal to the amount of people who wouldn't vote Labour because of him? This. The party's supporters are completely polarised. There seem to be three camps in the country, really - (1) Socialist Labour (2) right wing Tories, and (3) a hypothetical centre party made up of Starmerite Labour, Lib Dems and moderate Tories. Not sure where Greens, Plaid Cymru, etc. fit in. Where is the reset button? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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blandy Posted November 22, 2020 Author Moderator Share Posted November 22, 2020 30 minutes ago, mjmooney said: This. The party's supporters are completely polarised. There seem to be three camps in the country, really - (1) Socialist Labour (2) right wing Tories, and (3) a hypothetical centre party made up of Starmerite Labour, Lib Dems and moderate Tories. Not sure where Greens, Plaid Cymru, etc. fit in. Where is the reset button? I know where you're coming from, but I have a slight different view, at least in respect of the left. Its maybe only me, but I'd say the Green party is at least as left wing as Corbynites, yet Caroline Lucas is an eminently more capable politician than Corbyn, and has none of his "difficulties" around AS and Russia and so on. There's Left wing labour politicians without Corbyn's weaknesses, Clive someone... I think I'm saying I perceive theres a particular divisive section of the left, but that it's particular people of a particular generation that lead that clique. I think the tories and the right are on the way out, but only if the others reflect the present, not the politics of the past. Brexit, go it alone, right wing tory fantasy doesn't sit right with an ever shrinking and heating globe. People who will find common ground and not be siloed are the necessity. In NZ Jacinda Ardern invited another party to "come on in and be part of the government" and it didn't eat them up. Cultism and labels mostly stink. But right now you're probably pretty close to spot on about the state of the UK politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 24, 2020 Moderator Share Posted November 24, 2020 Anyway, in other news, Tories being Tories... Giving character references to rapists.... The Lord Chief Justice says it was “improper” to seek to influence the decision of a judge... " Methinks he's rather understating that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 57 minutes ago, bickster said: Anyway, in other news, Tories being Tories... Giving character references to rapists.... The Lord Chief Justice says it was “improper” to seek to influence the decision of a judge... " Methinks he's rather understating that It really is a racket isn’t it. ’his estranged wife, who happened to succeed him as MP for xxxxx provided one of the references’. I mean WTAF. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 24, 2020 Moderator Share Posted November 24, 2020 15 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: It really is a racket isn’t it. ’his estranged wife, who happened to succeed him as MP for xxxxx provided one of the references’. I mean WTAF. But then announced she was divorcing him, when he was convicted! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 In 2019 the Tories actually had *two* seats where the wife took over from the husband after the husband was involved in a sex scandal (Kate Griffiths in Burton was the other). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choffer Posted November 24, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted November 24, 2020 19 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: In 2019 the Tories actually had *two* seats where the wife took over from the husband after the husband was involved in a sex scandal (Kate Griffiths in Burton was the other). I bet Mark Francois’ ex wife wishes she’d stuck around now. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 The state of this prick giving a national address. You're not on HIGNFY now, you're the Prime Minister, comb your **** hair and put some collar bones in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Pay freeze for public services barring front line staff in NHS. But its ok they clapped for everyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Meanwhile, it’s totally okay and normal to spend £50,000 on takeaways from a Filipino eatery..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyrusr Posted November 25, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted November 25, 2020 32 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: Meanwhile, it’s totally okay and normal to spend £50,000 on takeaways from a Filipino eatery..... Probably couldn’t get enough of the cream of Sum Yung Gai. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Wainy316 Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Very good approach to PMQs today from Sir Keith. Johnson floundered as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 (edited) It seems to have gone utterly unremarked in most places, but the Equalities & Human Rights Commission (EHRC), who recently released a report to great fanfare, released another report today. This one was about *an actual government policy*, one that affected the lives of thousands of people, namely the 'hostile environment' policy which led, among other things, to the Windrush scandal. The EHRC concluded that the Home Office broke equality legislation in its implementation of the Conservative Party's 'hostile environment' policies: Part of being in government is that you get to deflect behind institutional names like 'The Home Office', but of course the institutions were carrying out political instructions: The report has received pitiful media coverage. It was 6th in line on the Today programme; the BBC's lunchtime news show failed to mention it at all. Even critical outlets whiffed; Amelia Gentleman obviously did more than anyone to cover the story in the first place, but at the end of the day I can't ignore that she is Jo Johnson's wife and Boris Johnson's sister-in-law, and her story in the Guardian today - while outlining the facts of the matter - did not mention the Conservative Party by name at all, except a single mention in a caption. Meanwhile, despite having been told repeatedly that they need to stop deporting people who have lived in the UK for essentially all their lives, the deportations roll on: Edited November 26, 2020 by HanoiVillan 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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