Newry_Villan Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Work permit issues? I don't understand how Firmino can join Liverpool with no issues even though he is has lived in a EU state for a shorter period of time and has less international appearances than Gueye. Gueye has been living in France since he was 17. I know he doesn't have a French passport but it should still be taken into consideration the length of time he has lived in the country and contributed to the public purse with his taxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhInTrinity Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Gueye, I suspect failed the initial criteria, hence why Villa do not want to confirm it until it's rubber stamped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bose Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 There is a new work permit regulation in place. The new system, though apparently easier at first glance, is much more structured and based on clearer criteria. For a player such as Firmino, whose national team Brazil is ranked in FIFA's top 10, then it is enough to have played in 30 per cent of games in the last two years. Though Firmino only made his debut last year, if he plays on Saturday that would mean he would have made 10 appearances out of the 32 games Brazil have played in the last two years, representing 31 per cent of games. The criteria changes for lesser footballing nations. So for countries ranked between 11-20, you have to have played in 45 per cent of games; from 21-30 it is 60 per cent; and from 31-50 it is 75 per cent. If players don't meet the requirements the club can appeal. If only the rules where like they are in Germany - where players outside the EU can join a club given that they have a clean criminal record, accommodation and can support their family with their wages. So basically no restrictions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhInTrinity Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 There is a new work permit regulation in place. The new system, though apparently easier at first glance, is much more structured and based on clearer criteria. For a player such as Firmino, whose national team Brazil is ranked in FIFA's top 10, then it is enough to have played in 30 per cent of games in the last two years. Though Firmino only made his debut last year, if he plays on Saturday that would mean he would have made 10 appearances out of the 32 games Brazil have played in the last two years, representing 31 per cent of games. The criteria changes for lesser footballing nations. So for countries ranked between 11-20, you have to have played in 45 per cent of games; from 21-30 it is 60 per cent; and from 31-50 it is 75 per cent. If players don't meet the requirements the club can appeal. If only the rules where like they are in Germany - where players outside the EU can join a club given that they have a clean criminal record, accommodation and can support their family with their wages. So basically no restrictions. Senegal are ranked 36, so he will need 75%, I think he fell just short of it from a previous poster,so on appeal he should get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ismail-villa Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 What a stupid rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 What a stupid rule. Absolutely. The overall quality of a players national team should have no bearing on their ability to get a work permit. It's too subjective. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 I've not been screwed over by work permit issues since championship manager 97/98. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ismail-villa Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 What a stupid rule. Absolutely. The overall quality of a players national team should have no bearing on their ability to get a work permit. It's too subjective. Imo it seems like a rule to benefit the top clubs since they'd be able to buy the top players from the top international teams with ease. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skarroki Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 What a stupid rule.Absolutely. The overall quality of a players national team should have no bearing on their ability to get a work permit. It's too subjective.Imo it seems like a rule to benefit the top clubs since they'd be able to buy the top players from the top international teams with ease. But if you're a top player for a top international side then you'd have played most games and the 30% thing wouldn't matter. Seems a badly designed rule to me. Especially as the top 30 is dominated by EU countries anyway, making the rule apply to even fewer countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 I can understand why work permit laws are strict in this country but I don't get how similar rules can apply to footballers who will come here, earn thousands and in return pay a lot of tax. I bet so much talent choose other countries over England because of the stupid rules. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROTTERDAM1982 Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Some reporter on TS yday said this won't go through until next week because he is in the process of changing agents, that the work permit wouldn't be an issue, and that it was a good purchase. Andy Brasso i think his name was, apparently an expert on European football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tylerreznik Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Does seem a stupid rule change that's skewed to cater strongly towards south america players.. I'm surprised they don't apply some form of monthly wage (or even transfer fee value) criteria, i.e. paid above xxx p/m. Many countries use this as part of the process to get a work visa. Anyways he's a proven international with proven track record in France, I can see him being denied a work visa, just has to go through some more manual processing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dn1982 Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 FIFA's ranking system is a joke aswell. You beat really crap teams in qualifiers and you fly up it. Have England ever been out the top 10 or so? He'll get his permit but it's something that needs looking at. You need standards so lower leagues don't flood there teams with cheap foreigners but it should never stop top end clubs recruiting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 I can understand why work permit laws are strict in this country but I don't get how similar rules can apply to footballers who will come here, earn thousands and in return pay a lot of tax. I bet so much talent choose other countries over England because of the stupid rules. I agree. Most footballer that play for Premier League clubs will be earning in excess of what the vast majority of other immigrants earn and thus be paying large amount of tax so why are the rules so strict? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 I can understand why work permit laws are strict in this country but I don't get how similar rules can apply to footballers who will come here, earn thousands and in return pay a lot of tax. I bet so much talent choose other countries over England because of the stupid rules. I agree. Most footballer that play for Premier League clubs will be earning in excess of what the vast majority of other immigrants earn and thus be paying large amount of tax so why are the rules so strict? The only thing I can think of is to keep the rules inline with the general rules for people requesting work permits which on one hand would be fair enough if they then didn't go and allow a FFP system which goes completely against how a normal Business would be allowed to operate in the UK. So with recruitment laws the governments rules apply. But for general business laws the premier league can apply their own restrictions? Apologies if I totally misunderstood both work permits laws and FFP but from where I'm sitting it all stinks. (And that has nothing to do with the fact I'm sitting on the loo as I type). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TRO Posted July 6, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted July 6, 2015 Some reporter on TS yday said this won't go through until next week because he is in the process of changing agents, that the work permit wouldn't be an issue, and that it was a good purchase. Andy Brasso i think his name was, apparently an expert on European football. ......Andy Brasso .....He needs to polish up his act 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samjp26 Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Some reporter on TS yday said this won't go through until next week because he is in the process of changing agents, that the work permit wouldn't be an issue, and that it was a good purchase. Andy Brasso i think his name was, apparently an expert on European football. He changed his agent already, hence why a move was pushed through to us. New agent wanted to/believed he could get Gueye a move to the Prem as Marseille wouldn't cough up enough money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ChrisVillan Posted July 6, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted July 6, 2015 Some reporter on TS yday said this won't go through until next week because he is in the process of changing agents, that the work permit wouldn't be an issue, and that it was a good purchase. Andy Brasso i think his name was, apparently an expert on European football. ......Andy Brasso .....He needs to polish up his act That'll be a mate of mine, Andy Brassell. Top-class journo and a legit European football expert. Not a parasitic transfer bullshitter and a bit of a France specialist having lived and worked there for a while, so I'd trust both his judgement and his contacts. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Some reporter on TS yday said this won't go through until next week because he is in the process of changing agents, that the work permit wouldn't be an issue, and that it was a good purchase. Andy Brasso i think his name was, apparently an expert on European football. ......Andy Brasso .....He needs to polish up his act That'll be a mate of mine, Andy Brassell. Top-class journo and a legit European football expert. Not a parasitic transfer bullshitter and a bit of a France specialist having lived and worked there for a while, so I'd trust both his judgement and his contacts. .....sorry Chris, it was just a pun 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisVillan Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 I don't know why I quoted you. I should've quoted the other guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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