lexicon Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 I think making Richards captain and the 'main man' in the middle of defence combined with the lax attitude of several players that we already had, had more of an effect than the big signings Reilly made. Ayew, Gana and Amavi all performed, Veretout was more of a dud but still wasn't that bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwj Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 7 minutes ago, sidcow said: I don't buy this most of the players were actually OK really. The plainly weren't. With or without Richards and Lescott we were the third worst PL team ever. You don't get that just because of a couple of bad eggs, the team from back to front left to right was totally dysfunctional under two different managers. Riley was responsible for this. He was the main man. He put together a set of utterly atrocious / incompatible players making us a total shambles. It's almost impossible to see how anyone could have made a worse job of it. Yes you do. Replace Lescott & Richards with Vlaar and Senderos (as an example) and you would have reduced our goals conceded by at least 20. That have at the very least put us on level pegging with Norwich (GD-wise) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don_Simon Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 Just now, mwj said: Yes you do. Replace Lescott & Richards with Vlaar and Senderos (as an example) and you would have reduced our goals conceded by at least 20. That have at the very least put us on level pegging with Norwich (GD-wise) In the history of guess work and complete fiction, the above statement is up there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwj Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Don_Simon said: In the history of guess work and complete fiction, the above statement is up there. I got bored of it by February, but by then they were at 9 and that was before the Liverpool game etc... Edited June 3, 2016 by mwj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don_Simon Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 Just now, mwj said: I got bored of it by February, but by then we are at 9 and that was before the Liverpool game etc... Is there a similar collection of individual defensive errors for Vlaar and Senderos? I dont seem to remember those two being McGrath and Teale. Comparisons are entirely pointless as the circumstances are completely different. Would we have been better with other players, of course. We could also have been worse if Vlaar had been crocked (again), and left us completely in the lurch. I believe we bought good players, who were woefully ill-prepared for the demands of the Premier League. Coupled with the complete inadequacy of Sherwood, zero strengthening in January and the club giving up after that, we had no chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwj Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 2 minutes ago, Don_Simon said: Is there a similar collection of individual defensive errors for Vlaar and Senderos? I dont seem to remember those two being McGrath and Teale. Comparisons are entirely pointless as the circumstances are completely different. Would we have been better with other players, of course. We could also have been worse if Vlaar had been crocked (again), and left us completely in the lurch. I believe we bought good players, who were woefully ill-prepared for the demands of the Premier League. Coupled with the complete inadequacy of Sherwood, zero strengthening in January and the club giving up after that, we had no chance. That I agree with 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meme Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-preparing-recruit-top-11457278? Quote Aston Villa want to recruit a technical director to help improve the club’s record in the transfer market, the Birmingham Mail understands. New owner Tony Xia will look to the Premier League for the ideal candidate and has already discussed the plans with boss Roberto Di Matteo. Xia, the Chinese businessman who is expected to complete his £75m takeover next week, is confident he can land a high-profile figure before the start of the Championship season. And if the preferred target arrives, it is likely to end director of recruitment Paddy Riley’s time in charge of talent-spotting The pull of the takeover appears to be working. BM very vague, but regardless spelling the end for Paddy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's Your Round Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 Woohoo! Things are looking up! I hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 Says it all about paddy, clinging on hoping tony would screw up, nobody is going to employ that word removed now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBM Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 a guy that has watched moneyball too many times and thinks he can do it its time for a fresh approaching on scouting and purchasing players, time to buy players who can perform and not those based on the fact that they could perform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dn1982 Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 Riley has got the blame for Sherwood spitting his dummy out and not actually creating a balanced squad. As a few have mentioned I don't think the foreign imports were that bad but they do tend to take time to settle and having half a teams worth was stupid but that doesn't stop the fact Sherwood never replaced the GK and RB he deemed not good enough the year before. It was also his decision to replace Benteke with Gestede!! I don't think Riley should stay but not on his signings more that we need a complete fresh start. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterfingers Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 2 hours ago, dn1982 said: Riley has got the blame for Sherwood spitting his dummy out and not actually creating a balanced squad. As a few have mentioned I don't think the foreign imports were that bad but they do tend to take time to settle and having half a teams worth was stupid but that doesn't stop the fact Sherwood never replaced the GK and RB he deemed not good enough the year before. It was also his decision to replace Benteke with Gestede!! I don't think Riley should stay but not on his signings more that we need a complete fresh start. I'm not Sherwoods biggest critic but now the dust has settled, his signings were far worse than the foreign batch. I think collectively, a certain amount of blame should lie at everyones door for failing to recognise the need for leadership and experience to carry the new foreign imports through. Sherwood to his credit may have partly addressed this in defence but I think a bigger issue was the failure to replace Delphs drive and leadership further up the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted June 10, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted June 10, 2016 4 hours ago, Jareth said: Says it all about paddy, clinging on hoping tony would screw up, nobody is going to employ that word removed now. I just don't understand comments like this at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted June 11, 2016 Share Posted June 11, 2016 Looks like Frank Arnesen's free. Don't really know anything about him, but I'm guessing he might know Di Matteo and Clarke and possibly Bond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVTuco Posted June 11, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted June 11, 2016 Goodbye, finally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted June 11, 2016 Share Posted June 11, 2016 9 hours ago, PieFacE said: I just don't understand comments like this at all. Yes it is difficult to understand why a relegation on your cv thanks largely to your decision making would make it difficult to find a job. Maybe he has been misunderstood all this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post PieFacE Posted June 11, 2016 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted June 11, 2016 (edited) A relegation? He wasn't the manager?? Why is he "clinging on"? Why is he a word removed? You have no idea what his remit was, you have no idea what recommendations he made to Sherwood which he just ignored? He may have scouted Kante and Mahrez for all we know. Our signings in the summer weren't even that bad, those players were actually our better players bar Richards and Lescott (do you really think Reilly scouted those two players?) Your whole statement is frankly complete bollocks really, Reilly has for whatever reason become a scapegoat for our relegation and I'm not sure why. Scouts don't get clubs relegated. I mean we got relegated because of Reilly's decision making?! I didn't realise Reilly hired Sherwood... Edited June 11, 2016 by PieFacE 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted June 11, 2016 Share Posted June 11, 2016 (edited) I had heard from a few sources that he was working very hard behind the scenes trying to fix the mess that was last year's transfer window. It is quite a shame he has left as I heard he had even pre-ordered FM 17 and bought an extra laptop battery and everyfing. I can only hope both of these items are refundable. Though I am sure that he would have claimed them on expenses. Good luck in all your future roles Paddy. From taking Portsmouth from league 2 to the Champions League on FM 15 and taking Ireland to World Cup glory on Fm 16, you really had some wonderful moments here. Edited June 11, 2016 by rodders0223 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted June 11, 2016 Share Posted June 11, 2016 (edited) On 6/3/2016 at 09:37, mwj said: Yes you do. Replace Lescott & Richards with Vlaar and Senderos (as an example) and you would have reduced our goals conceded by at least 20. That have at the very least put us on level pegging with Norwich (GD-wise) I feel a bit of revisionism is starting to set in viz. a number of our players. They pretty much all let us down last season outside one or two. Whilst the chief culprits were the 'British' lads our 'foreign' signings were pretty much all a profound waste of money and for one reason or enough did not deliver anywhere near as much as they should. Edited June 11, 2016 by Dr_Pangloss 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted June 11, 2016 Share Posted June 11, 2016 Clearly not a popular opinion but I'd retain Riley in a more basic scouting position. To me he seems like a decent scout who can make good recommendations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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