hippo Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 PULIS.FFS.I know - but pretty sure we would be higher up the table had we recruited him last November. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 (edited) Saying that Agbonlahor was involved and Sherwood has gone 'barmy'. The guy it's coming from has said a few things in the past that have turned out to be true but also quite a few things that have been false (mostly takeover related). Lets hope he's wrong on this occasion. Edited October 21, 2015 by useless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Straggler Posted October 21, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted October 21, 2015 I'm thinking that we play Spurs and you'd think that Sherwood would be right up for that game You make it sound like he's a player......I think he has been right up for every game.....its the players being up for it, is in doubt.Which is Sherwood's fault.Motivating players was meant to be what he's good at. Without that, I'm not sure what positives he brings to the role.im not sure motivation was ever a strong point of his, if it was I wouldnt have first hand witnessed an abject failure to turn up on the cup final. He is a chancer nothing more nothing less You may be right as it is possible that with Lambert having lost the plot so badly and gone so negative that Sherwood got an initial reaction out of the players simply by allowing them to take the Lambert shackles off and encouraging them to go out to attack, create chances and score some goals. That I guess can be the trouble with the initial bounce you get from a new manager in that it may not be a long term indicator as to what is to come. I guess we will find a lot out about Sherwood and his ability to motivate the players, or their willingness to put a shift in for their manager, on Saturday. Given the importance of the game I expect us to come out all guns blazing and really taking the game to Swansea. For what it’s worth I think we’ll win by a couple of goals resulting in Sherwood remaining in post for a while longer at least which as long as he starts to get results suits me fine as that is the bottom line for me. I have seen some say even if we win on Saturday they want him gone. Those supporters are living in la la land though if they think that could happen. A win gets him till the Watford home at least given the fixtures before that. I am fortunate I guess as I don’t despise Sherwood like some and remain relatively neutral with him. If he starts to get results then great I am happy to see him stay. If he doesn't immediately get results though, meaning the next game, then I will be happy to see the back of him and see someone else get a chance. Mark I totally understand why you maybe felt the need to reference Lambert in the first paragraph but to be honest I'm not as on board with the whole "got an initial bounce from the players" as some on here are. We'd have finished higher and further away and not relied on other teams results last season if that was the case but there you are.Fact is he is manager in his own right now and IMO, and the opinion of a majority of others it seems, he is doing it badly.Not sure why people are living in "la la Land" to want him gone even if we win on Saturday. It's their right to have that opinion and a lot do. Me included. See my thought is that he is wrong for us now. Wrong now and wrong in the future so one result doesn't do it. I'm not sure either we as a club, or him as a person actually, can continue basing his tenure with us on one result, the next result or if he wins he can stay a bit longer at least until XXX game in the future if he loses he has to go which I am reading from your post. Cant run a club like that. Back him or sack him For me if he is wrong now he'll be wrong after Saturday regardless of the result. I happen to think the decision makers at the club feel that way too now and not just based on results but based on how he has handled himself. Taking the back him or sack him thing, there hasn't been much baking this week has there?I dont despise Sherwood. I've said before it's difficult to form a judgement on someone like that until you have spent a fair while in their company personally. I've met him sure but certainly not long enough to form an opinion of despise or not. I just happen to think he is a poor manager wrong for us right now. I think if he stays much longer we will definitely go down. As it is I think there's a greater than 50:50 chance of that this season anyway and a lot of that is down to him, not all but a lot. I think we need to get someone in and maybe with an eye on rebuilding for a championship promotion push. The club is in a very very great mess it is hard to underestimate the level of shit we are in right now to be honest it makes the mess that GTMK1 referred to as a minor trouble. It's going to take some effort to trun this great club around, Sherwood is not that man for that job. Not now and not if we beat Swansea!Oh contrare. Just this week Mary baked her version of a sugar-free carrot cake and Paul made a lime and passion fruit charlotte russe. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney_avfc Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 If Bosnia Herzigovina were to knock Ireland out of the Euros in a couple of weeks does anyone think Lerner may go to the only manager who's brought him any success in football cap in hand? O'Neill's stock is nowhere near as high as it was when he left us so it could be as good a gig as he's likely to get again. Any takers?? Only if he brings Keane with him I hope you mean Robbie Keane! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 TBAR rumours of a training ground bust up yesterday Can pretty much confine this to the nonsense bin then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 I think personally Villa might look at someone like Warburton, someone who has experience of being in championship. I have a feeling they will aim for a manager with in the back of their mind if we go down he can get us up at first attempt. That is why as much as I want Moyes cant see it happening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 (edited) You may be right as it is possible that with Lambert having lost the plot so badly and gone so negative that Sherwood got an initial reaction out of the players simply by allowing them to take the Lambert shackles off and encouraging them to go out to attack, create chances and score some goals. That I guess can be the trouble with the initial bounce you get from a new manager in that it may not be a long term indicator as to what is to come. I guess we will find a lot out about Sherwood and his ability to motivate the players, or their willingness to put a shift in for their manager, on Saturday. Given the importance of the game I expect us to come out all guns blazing and really taking the game to Swansea. For what it’s worth I think we’ll win by a couple of goals resulting in Sherwood remaining in post for a while longer at least which as long as he starts to get results suits me fine as that is the bottom line for me. I have seen some say even if we win on Saturday they want him gone. Those supporters are living in la la land though if they think that could happen. A win gets him till the Watford home at least given the fixtures before that. I am fortunate I guess as I don’t despise Sherwood like some and remain relatively neutral with him. If he starts to get results then great I am happy to see him stay. If he doesn't immediately get results though, meaning the next game, then I will be happy to see the back of him and see someone else get a chance.Not sure why people are living in "la la Land" to want him gone even if we win on Saturday. It's their right to have that opinion and a lot do. Me included. I suggest you read what I wrote again Richard. I didn't say people are living in la la land to want him gone even if we win on Saturday. I said they are living in la la land if they think that could happen. If he is going to get sacked regardless of the result on Saturday he'd have been sacked already. I am convinced a win on Saturday buys him another 4 games at least which would take him up to the Watford game.Supporters can still want him gone if we wins 10 on the spin that is their prerogative and an opinion they would be entitled to. Me I simply want to see us win some games and whilst Sherwood is manager I hope he can do that. If he does start getting results that is enough for me I am happy for him to stay. If not then he will be shown the door and someone else gets a crack at it. Edited October 21, 2015 by markavfc40 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 I think personally Villa might look at someone like Warburton, someone who has experience of being in championship. I have a feeling they will aim for a manager with in the back of their mind if we go down he can get us up at first attempt. That is why as much as I want Moyes cant see it happeningYou would expect any competent board to have a contingency plan, but that is all it should be at this stage. Plan A should be to recruit a Manager capable of pulling us out the mess we are in and keeping us in the PL.Warburton represents a risk in my mind, atm we need a safe pair of hands IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENTLEMAN Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Warburton's teams play at a high tempo and attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 TBAR rumours of a training ground bust up yesterday Can pretty much confine this to the nonsense bin then Gabby instigating a player revolt in training and Sherwood has gone mental, I love TBAR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 There's no spin required to see that a lot of our summer signings have looked way off premier league level and have contributed little. Anyone with eyes can see that. It doesn't mean they wouldn't be better with another manager but I'm starting to feel like I did after Lambert's second summer window, that initial excitement is fading fast.How would those same players be under a different manager, in a settled side with a clear and consistent strategy? But even if it is the players (and personally I think we have better players than half a dozen sides) Sherwood had a hand in recruiting themand even if, as Sherwood is now intimating, much of the revruitment was out of his hands then that shows his weakness in that he was unable to get his voice heard loud enough in the debate (imagine Big Sam or Pulis or Moyes or Mourinho or Ferguson in the same situation) If we don't sack Sherwood in the next week we are going down guaranteed (and maybe if we do)Only it's not guaranteed at all, is it. It won't even take a miracle. That said, I was looking at our squad yesterday and comparing it to the likes of Crystal Palace. They are in reality streets ahead, I was surprised. Sure we have plenty of potential, but it has not been anywhere near realised at this point. As in I *think* they are a good set of players, but after a pre season and 11 games, I've still no clue either way. Neither have they I imagine. So it's a long road up still, I'm starting to think that we may be running out of time as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Gabby being involved in a training ground bust up would be good newsMaybe it means he will be dropped and never play for the club again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 So far in the media we've been linked with Rodgers, Moyes, Monk, Bradley, McInnes and Warburton. Surely that says a lot.. I know the papers often make stuff up, but I'm not sure I''m aware of another manager who's had so many alternatives linked with his position whilst still in job himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 TBAR rumours of a training ground bust up yesterday Can pretty much confine this to the nonsense bin then Gabby instigating a player revolt in training and Sherwood has gone mental, I love TBAR I doubt Gabby can even spell instigate. Joking aside, I would love it to be true, a player revolt would certainly hasten Tim's exit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 If Bosnia Herzigovina were to knock Ireland out of the Euros in a couple of weeks does anyone think Lerner may go to the only manager who's brought him any success in football cap in hand? O'Neill's stock is nowhere near as high as it was when he left us so it could be as good a gig as he's likely to get again.Any takers?? **** nothought I expect MON to walk out 4 days before the play-offs 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-Reacho Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Maybe the 'Sherwood's gone barmy' rumour is the club playing Sherwood at his own game and leaking this sort of thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Warburton's teams play at a high tempo and attack. but he isnt a fan of Moneyball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 TBAR rumours of a training ground bust up yesterday Can pretty much confine this to the nonsense bin then Actually no. From another source, I personally believe something of this ilk did happen at training yesterday. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dont_do_it_doug. Posted October 21, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted October 21, 2015 I don't think people really know what "Moneyball" is. It has nothing to do with having a transfer team. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ender4 Posted October 21, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted October 21, 2015 Warburton's teams play at a high tempo and attack.I dough know if this is true. I believe his teams mainly loaf around. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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