The Tim Sherwood Thread

[Isa]

 

Don't you have a Twitter account mate? Swear I have you on Twitter and seen you tweet a similar rhetoric. 

I do, yes - '@issassin'

[OneNightInRotterdam]

 

Don't you have a Twitter account mate? Swear I have you on Twitter and seen you tweet a similar rhetoric. 

 

I do, yes - '@issassin'

With a pic of a very happy N'zogbia (as always)

 

[AshVilla]

Sherwood sounding like he's getting ready to be fired 

Might as well do it sooner rather than later why delay the inevitable

Edited October 7, 2015 by AshVilla

[Kiwivillan]

If we beat Chelsea we'll be 1pt behind them with a better goal difference

[lexicon]

If we beat Chelsea 

[Dodgyknees]

If we beat Chelsea we'll be 1pt behind them with a better goal difference

And boy, what a big if.

reminds me of Zatman's if's a few pages back.

Edited October 8, 2015 by DK82
if

[romavillan]

If the board are not sacking him, you desperately hope the club are sounding out a replacement during the international break. Sherwood is sending a confusing and negative message, which will not help the squad. Does anybody else feel like Tim has given up? 

I think if we get schooled at Chelsea and Swansea his post match interview might lead to a stay in a mental hospital.

[Guest av1]

If the board are not sacking him, you desperately hope the club are sounding out a replacement during the international break. Sherwood is sending a confusing and negative message, which will not help the squad. Does anybody else feel like Tim has given up? 

I wouldn't say given up, bit his confidence has certainly taken a huge knock. Which is very worrying considered his only strength (subjective) is his confidence/positive attitude.

He certainly looks like a broken man. Its a difficult situation for Tim, first "proper" Management job, this could define his reputation as a Manager. To that end, I am 100% sure he will never walk, rather it is in his interest to pass the book so to speak, 'it didn't work because......'

The fact he is already getting those excuses in suggest he knows his time is coming to an end.

[TRO]

It depends what the overall think is from the board, but I can't argue that he is in a hole

every game we lose moving forward, is making a harder job for a new manager to rescue  the situation.

However, I do have my doubts that anyone can rescue us.

Come on TRO you can't honestly believe the current squad are not better than results suggest - Surely?

I think we have a much better squad than last season and with the right set up could climb the table to finish somewhere between 10th and 15th and comfortably outside the relegation places. Obviously current results don't suggest that but I don't think many people were predicting we would be struggling in the fashion we are during the summer. 

                                 I am genuinely unsure.....I think we lack leaders, players with a fighting spirit....they look happy for the responsibility to be someone elses.

If they could address that and find some fight, they would look much better......I am not doubting their technical ability....its the character, I'm unsure about.

 

 I agree with the character remark to a point but isn't the trick as a manager to allow your players to express their talents/character etc. This is where Sherwood is falling down imo. He has left our most creative players on the bench in recent games and in essence restricted the flow of a positive approach to games. The character of the players isn't the problem here I don't think. It would also not surprise me if most the players are starting to question Sherwoods methods. We all know that once the players believe the manager is talking out his arse and not playing their idea of the strongest team or tactics, they will stop listening. I think this is starting to happen and is why individual performances are now suffering and not just the team.

                       look, I can't say you are wrong in what you say.

                        Its ultimately down to the manager directly or indirectly......6 goals have cost us 18 points...... 6 bloody goals.

                        I struggle ,when we talk about the quality of corners or strikers or anything that is offensive....and I'm not saying folk don't have a point.....but we can't defend.

                         (......and yes I'm one that wants to see Gil in the team..... we need a No 10)

                        The attack, the midfield, the defenders......................can't defend.

 

See I also don't think it's that we can't defend but that we are now relying on our defence too much as we did under Lambert. The cautiousness in our approach is leading to nervousness and then a situation whereby our forward movement is restricted due to this. We then become too narrow and easy to contain for the opposition before we lose possession and put our defence under again. It's a continuing saga that plays out every Sat. We never stretch teams out wide instead trying to play through them most of the time. It's no coincidence imo that our better performances and passages of play are when utilising the width- especially at home.  

What we do know is that being too cautious isn't going to breed any sort of confidence in the players, and until Sherwood starts to trust in the attacking players to do their job and allow the defence to do theirs he will continue to fall over. We will all keep questioning and debating the same stuff every week. 

                     I can't argue with that.

                     When there is a problem like we have, it may be wise to remind ourselves of the basics.....I also agree attack is the best form of defence, and I also agree with the line that when yo have the ball the opposition can't hurt you....many old lines that bare some truth.....it is also worth remembering that if 40 points is the holy grail....hypothetically, not one goal needs to be scored and potentially there is 38 points in the bag.....but none conceded of course.

                      some of these may be good for Tim to remind himself when making his next move.

Edited October 8, 2015 by TRO

[TrentVilla]

If we beat Chelsea....

If we beat Chelsea we will still be in the bottom three irrespective of other results.

If we beat Chelsea it will because of Sherwood. If we don't Sherwood will take full responsibility but blame the players.

If we beat Chelsea I will still want him gone.

[ozvillafan]

Chelsea are in poor form. They are there for the taking. Defending Champions? Not for Long!!! 

What Chelsea need right now is to face a club that has a history of playing opposing sides back into form....

 

...oh wait.

[BleedClaretAndBlue]

whats going on is he still here

[useless]

He's still the manager as far as I can tell.

[Razor]

Good article on F365 about Sherwood, for some reason you can't paste anything on here though....

[Designer1]

Is Tim a good manager? Is he even a manager?

It’s not just that we don’t know if Tim Sherwood is a good manager, more that we don’t even know if he’s a manager at all. Things aren’t going well at Aston Villa…

When Tim Sherwood was appointed as Aston Villa manager last season, he turned up at his unveiling press conference looking like a man who had slept in the office after a work party, eyes bloodshot and stubble at five o’clock. Or, as one wag on the internet put it, he looked ‘like he’s about to appeal for the safe return of his stepdaughter, but you already know he did it.’ This, you’ll remember, was after he’d been off for eight months following his dismissal by Spurs, so one wondered how he would look after the stresses and strains of Premier League management took their toll.

We are now discovering exactly that, as Sherwood shuffles out after every defeat, his face a curious mixture of disconsolate deflation, abject fear but also a steely cockiness that may or may not be put on. He looks a bit like a man off on an extreme sports holiday with the lads who has forgot to take out any travel insurance; behind the facade is absolute terror, but his default bravado won’t stop him sinking that first pint before the 7am flight. Compare Sherwood’s visage with Paul Lambert, who looks about ten years younger these days than when he occupied the Villa big chair.

Aston Villa are, all in all, a piping hot mess at the moment. They haven’t won in the league since the opening day, losing six of their last seven matches and the only brief moment of respite, the single draw in that spell, was against Sunderland, whose incompetence (along with Newcastle’s) is the only thing keeping Villa off the bottom of the table.

This run in itself doesn’t prove that Sherwood is a fraud, a man who has reached his current position by riding a wave of his own ego but who doesn’t actually have the first idea of what he’s doing, but the signs aren’t good. Not quite so much in the results, but that in the last few games Sherwood has looked as if he’s groping around in the dark, like a man hunting for his spectacles at 2am. He seems to try different tactics and approaches in every game, usually without a huge amount of logic, and according to FootballLineups.com he has used five different formations in those seven games (the last, a 3-5-2 against Stoke, abandoned at half-time), altering personnel each time. Sometimes a flexible approach gives a manager an air of admirable adaptability, but sometimes it suggests a manager who doesn’t really know what he’s doing.

It’s for this reason that we don’t really know what sort of manager Sherwood is. In the summer he commented that this season we would see what a Tim Sherwood side really was, and when questioned as to exactly what a Tim Sherwood side was, he simply replied “Winners.” After the defeat to Stoke, he said: “I had a manager in the opposite dugout (Mark Hughes) who hasn’t had it his own way at every club but he’s come through and stuck to his beliefs. That’s exactly what Tim Sherwood will be doing.”

Leaving aside the third person reference for a second, what exactly are those beliefs? Without an intimate presence in the Villa dressing room it’s slightly difficult to say exactly what his managerial approach is, but it sure as hell isn’t obvious from the way Villa have been playing. It’s not just that we don’t really yet know if Sherwood is a good manager, but that we don’t really know if he’s a manager at all, or just a smooth talker who’s prepared to wear as many items from the club shop at one time as possible.

The one thing we do know about Sherwood is that he’s a Football Man, because people say so. People like Jamie Redknapp, admittedly, but people nonetheless. And one of the things about a Football Man is that they’re no nonsense, they don’t take any rubbish from anyone and they keep things simple. That was something one could see in Sherwood in his brief spells of promise, that he thought of simplicity as a virtue and that complexity only, well, complicated things, a perfectly valid approach that has worked in the past. That has seemingly been abandoned this season and nervous tinkering has taken its place.

Perhaps Sherwood isn’t actually a manager at all. The only real, definite and distinguishable quality that he seems to have is an ability to get the best from previously underperforming strikers. Both Emmanuel Adebayor and Christian Benteke flourished under Sherwood’s tutelage, admittedly via some relatively basic psychology which appeared to consist of him telling both men they were great. Again, simple it might be, but it worked. Maybe he should sack the managerial thing off, and simply operate as some sort of freelance striker whisperer, a consultant who goes from club to club and has a little word in the shell-like of any out of form striker, gets them scoring and skips away with a fat stack of cash from his generous hourly rate. It’d give him a bit of free time, be a nice little earner and those eyes might not look quite so sunken all the time.

Yet it seems he’s quite set on this manager thing. Sherwood has of course been handed some pretty rum cards this season, trying to fashion a Villa side after their two best players were sold. Another, Ron Vlaar, left with the hope of better things only to bugger up his knee. This is a new squad, and one that is in the process of being knitted together, so one can’t hope for instant brilliant results.

The thing is, that squad will only be knitted together by someone who knows what he’s doing, by a manager with a clear idea of how he wants to manage. At the moment, Sherwood has shown little of this.

Nick Miller

 

[HeyAnty]

Good article on F365 about Sherwood, for some reason you can't paste anything on here though....

Is Tim a good manager? Is he even a manager?

Date published: Thursday 8th October 2015 8:22

It’s not just that we don’t know if Tim Sherwood is a good manager, more that we don’t even know if he’s a manager at all. Things aren’t going well at Aston Villa…

When Tim Sherwood was appointed as Aston Villa manager last season, he turned up at his unveiling press conference looking like a man who had slept in the office after a work party, eyes bloodshot and stubble at five o’clock. Or, as one wag on the internet put it, he looked ‘like he’s about to appeal for the safe return of his stepdaughter, but you already know he did it.’ This, you’ll remember, was after he’d been off for eight months following his dismissal by Spurs, so one wondered how he would look after the stresses and strains of Premier League management took their toll.

We are now discovering exactly that, as Sherwood shuffles out after every defeat, his face a curious mixture of disconsolate deflation, abject fear but also a steely cockiness that may or may not be put on. He looks a bit like a man off on an extreme sports holiday with the lads who has forgot to take out any travel insurance; behind the facade is absolute terror, but his default bravado won’t stop him sinking that first pint before the 7am flight. Compare Sherwood’s visage with Paul Lambert, who looks about ten years younger these days than when he occupied the Villa big chair.

Aston Villa are, all in all, a piping hot mess at the moment. They haven’t won in the league since the opening day, losing six of their last seven matches and the only brief moment of respite, the single draw in that spell, was against Sunderland, whose incompetence (along with Newcastle’s) is the only thing keeping Villa off the bottom of the table.

This run in itself doesn’t prove that Sherwood is a fraud, a man who has reached his current position by riding a wave of his own ego but who doesn’t actually have the first idea of what he’s doing, but the signs aren’t good. Not quite so much in the results, but that in the last few games Sherwood has looked as if he’s groping around in the dark, like a man hunting for his spectacles at 2am. He seems to try different tactics and approaches in every game, usually without a huge amount of logic, and according to FootballLineups.com he has used five different formations in those seven games (the last, a 3-5-2 against Stoke, abandoned at half-time), altering personnel each time. Sometimes a flexible approach gives a manager an air of admirable adaptability, but sometimes it suggests a manager who doesn’t really know what he’s doing.

It’s for this reason that we don’t really know what sort of manager Sherwood is. In the summer he commented that this season we would see what a Tim Sherwood side really was, and when questioned as to exactly what a Tim Sherwood side was, he simply replied “Winners.” After the defeat to Stoke, he said: “I had a manager in the opposite dugout (Mark Hughes) who hasn’t had it his own way at every club but he’s come through and stuck to his beliefs. That’s exactly what Tim Sherwood will be doing.”

Leaving aside the third person reference for a second, what exactly are those beliefs? Without an intimate presence in the Villa dressing room it’s slightly difficult to say exactly what his managerial approach is, but it sure as hell isn’t obvious from the way Villa have been playing. It’s not just that we don’t really yet know if Sherwood is a good manager, but that we don’t really know if he’s a manager at all, or just a smooth talker who’s prepared to wear as many items from the club shop at one time as possible.

The one thing we do know about Sherwood is that he’s a Football Man, because people say so. People like Jamie Redknapp, admittedly, but people nonetheless. And one of the things about a Football Man is that they’re no nonsense, they don’t take any rubbish from anyone and they keep things simple. That was something one could see in Sherwood in his brief spells of promise, that he thought of simplicity as a virtue and that complexity only, well, complicated things, a perfectly valid approach that has worked in the past. That has seemingly been abandoned this season and nervous tinkering has taken its place.

Perhaps Sherwood isn’t actually a manager at all. The only real, definite and distinguishable quality that he seems to have is an ability to get the best from previously underperforming strikers. Both Emmanuel Adebayor and Christian Benteke flourished under Sherwood’s tutelage, admittedly via some relatively basic psychology which appeared to consist of him telling both men they were great. Again, simple it might be, but it worked. Maybe he should sack the managerial thing off, and simply operate as some sort of freelance striker whisperer, a consultant who goes from club to club and has a little word in the shell-like of any out of form striker, gets them scoring and skips away with a fat stack of cash from his generous hourly rate. It’d give him a bit of free time, be a nice little earner and those eyes might not look quite so sunken all the time.

Yet it seems he’s quite set on this manager thing. Sherwood has of course been handed some pretty rum cards this season, trying to fashion a Villa side after their two best players were sold. Another, Ron Vlaar, left with the hope of better things only to bugger up his knee. This is a new squad, and one that is in the process of being knitted together, so one can’t hope for instant brilliant results.

The thing is, that squad will only be knitted together by someone who knows what he’s doing, by a manager with a clear idea of how he wants to manage. At the moment, Sherwood has shown little of this.

Nick Miller

[Eames]

Ouch. Very little to disagree with there. 

 

Uncomfortable stuff. 

 

 

[SikhInTrinity]

Tick Tock, Sherwood media campaign is out in full force to protect himself.

[Razor]

Nice one lads. 

 

Funny yet at the same time depressing read. 

 

Everyone told us he was a charlatan and unfortunately it seems they were right.

[HeyAnty]

Ouch. Very little to disagree with there. 

 

Uncomfortable stuff. 

 

 

Particularly liked the part where he would be better at being an 'out of form striker whisper '