Amo69 Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 If there is no takeover i would rather we have Lambert in charge than start the season with no manager.. He has at least shown he can keep that so call premier league squad in this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 He should have done the decent thing and walked. It'll serve him right if we get new owners, and they give him the push the week after a host of other management jobs all get filled. totally disagree. The decent thing is to stay. Walking out on a club when it needs as much steadiness as possible would be the cowards way out. Whatever people Think of his performance, staying is an honourable course of action. Totally disagree. He's proved over two years that he's monumentally out of his depth, His staying will only make things worse. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanky Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 Seriously worried if we go into the season with Lambert as manager. That will most likely mean no new owner and no funds. A recipe for disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 Honourable to not want to lose out on a pay off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 Seriously worried if we go into the season with Lambert as manager. That will most likely mean no new owner and no funds. A recipe for disaster. There will be funds but it will just be to try and keep us in the league. Can't see good players jumping at the chance to sign for a manager who might not be there long and a club that will have new owners soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVTuco Posted May 19, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted May 19, 2014 Under the circumstances Lambert staying is for the best. I worry a little what happens if we start the season poorly. After last season Lambert has no room for error. How long until fans really turn against Lambert? Three games? How do players react then? Could be very ugly. It's very important we start off wellish. Your questions show why Lambert staying isn't the best option. Our second half of the season form was abysmal. The fans will have no patience with him and I think it's got the potential of going very wrong. They are worrying things, I agree. Just have to hope things don't go that way. I don't believe Randy has much choice right now. No one with ability and half a brain would come here now. Unless it's for a big guaranteed contract, which Randy won't eat now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 Just to pick up on one of your points about Lambert's signings generating a profit shark. You are probably right on that but no matter what he paid for them he must be judged on the performances of the team. It is just a red herring to focus on anything else when we have stagnated. Is that the same as jumping the shark? Like when Mcleish played Heskey in midfield? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarpie Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 I think it relies heavily on what are the ambitions of our eventual buyers if they keep Lambert: -Top ten with somewhat larger investment than last two seasons, I can see them keeping Lambert. -Top six with considerably larger investment, he probably has 50/50 chance keeping his job. -Top four with a lot of money invested, then I can see them getting rid of Lambert and hiring A.Name manager who can pull players by his reputation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samjp26 Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 Even if he has £15m to spend, if that is spent on two relatively good players rather than having to buy half a squad, it should improve us. That said, I think we need at least 4 quality players added to the squad overall. Think we'll start the season with Kozak and Okore both back, which should automatically be an improvement on the team we had during our Benteke-less second half of the season. Suppose things could also depend on if anybody is sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 Could it be in a few years time that we are thanking our lucky stars that Lambert didn't quit after he guides us to a top 6 finish under the stewardship of a new owner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobovillain Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 Even if he has £15m to spend, if that is spent on two relatively good players rather than having to buy half a squad, it should improve us. That said, I think we need at least 4 quality players added to the squad overall. Think we'll start the season with Kozak and Okore both back, which should automatically be an improvement on the team we had during our Benteke-less second half of the season. Suppose things could also depend on if anybody is sold. Problem is who would want to join us? Usually a player moves for Money - we have none and I doubt Lerner will increase the wage bill just before he leaves Manager - not sure if ours will still be there in a few weeks Trophies - ....... Really concerned now, our only hope would be new owners in the next 4-5 weeks..... Until then, I can't see us signing anyone that will improve this squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post blandy Posted May 19, 2014 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted May 19, 2014 Honourable to not want to lose out on a pay off? Honourable to honour a contract, absolutely, yes. He signed on the line to work for Villa as a manager for 3 years. If he stays and gets sacked, he will not get any extra over if he stays and works as he is contracted to do. It seems that people saying it is honourable not to honour a contract are letting feelings as to his abilities overcome what is self evidently the case. You could make a case as to him deserving the sack, and I'd struggle to convincigly argue against it - there is a case to be made, there. I think it's been made by yourself many times, in many threads John. Losing more than half the games this season, terrible home record etc. It's normal for managers to go for that. It's normal for many fans to call for a sacking in those circs. I've no issue with that. Just with people saying he should resign would be "honourable". I do accept to a degree the notion of falling on your sword if you believe you've failed, and I do accept that people are loathe to walk away from a guaranteed income into uncertaintly. I genuinely also think he has had terrible circs to work under for much of the time (relatively, speaking - not like soldiers in Afghanistan, I mean). 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 Could it be in a few years time that we are thanking our lucky stars that Lambert didn't quit after he guides us to a top 6 finish under the stewardship of a new owner? Could it be that we would already be established in the top-half by now had we stuck with McLeish? See, we can all do that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClarrieBlue Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 Could it be in a few years time that we are thanking our lucky stars that Lambert didn't quit after he guides us to a top 6 finish under the stewardship of a new owner?with just a small investment we could finish 9th/10th, they're much of a muchness from there down. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 Could it be in a few years time that we are thanking our lucky stars that Lambert didn't quit after he guides us to a top 6 finish under the stewardship of a new owner? Could it be that we would already be established in the top-half by now had we stuck with McLeish? See, we can all do that one. We can all do what one? Ask a question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 Could it be in a few years time that we are thanking our lucky stars that Lambert didn't quit after he guides us to a top 6 finish under the stewardship of a new owner? Could it be that we would already be established in the top-half by now had we stuck with McLeish? See, we can all do that one. We can all do what one? Ask a question? Make hypotheticals about what might happen in the future, even if they are extremely unlikely based on what we know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 Could it be in a few years time that we are thanking our lucky stars that Lambert didn't quit after he guides us to a top 6 finish under the stewardship of a new owner? Could it be that we would already be established in the top-half by now had we stuck with McLeish? See, we can all do that one. We can all do what one? Ask a question? Make hypotheticals about what might happen in the future, even if they are extremely unlikely based on what we know. I don't think it is extremely unlikely which is why I asked the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 (edited) I never thought Lambert would be sacked. I mean if there is a buyer or even if Villa is still looking, its not really a good idea for Randy to sack him, as the new owner is not going to want to come into a club with no manager either way and randy is not going to want to shell out the compensation anyway, why should he, when he can leave it to the new owners. Lambert has not been given all the details I expect, but has basically been told to carry on and do his job what he is paid for and as people are saying he might not be happy but does not want to sacrifice a million pound pay off....... Interesting interview on SSN, he will gain a few fans with what he has said. I think im turning, maybe it would be good idea to give him a chance with the new owners and a 40 million transfer pot. Note: he is being interviewed later on WM! Edited May 19, 2014 by foreveryoung Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 He should have done the decent thing and walked. It'll serve him right if we get new owners, and they give him the push the week after a host of other management jobs all get filled. totally disagree. The decent thing is to stay. Walking out on a club when it needs as much steadiness as possible would be the cowards way out. Whatever people Think of his performance, staying is an honourable course of action. Totally disagree. He's proved over two years that he's monumentally out of his depth, His staying will only make things worse. Oh okay, let's put cowans and given in charge then, with all their managerial excellence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samjp26 Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 I never thought Lambert would be sacked. I mean if there is a buyer or even if Villa is still looking, its not really a good idea for Randy to sack him, as the new owner is not going to want to come into a club with no manager either way and randy is not going to want to shell out the compensation anyway, why should he, when he can leave it to the new owners. Lambert has not been given all the details I expect, but has basically been told to carry on and do his job what he is paid for and as people are saying he might not be happy but does not want to sacrifice a million pound pay off....... Interesting interview on SSN, he will gain a few fans with what he has said. I think im turning, maybe it would be good idea to give him a chance with the new owners and a 40 million transfer pot. Note: he is being interviewed later on WM! Was it the short interview thats online? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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