TrentVilla Posted September 4, 2014 Moderator Share Posted September 4, 2014 Enough on past players please, back on topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juanpabloangel18 Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 So, my take on it: Frankly, I don't like it one bit. Cleverley did not want to join us on a permanent basis, and if accounts are to be believed messed us and Lambert around with the 11th hour Everton bid. Now that on it's own doesn't wind me up too much - Everton & Martinez are clearly a more attractive prospect to Clevs for a number of reasons. However, having shown a substantial financial commitment (£8 mil) and personal interest in him as a player, we're now left in the perverse situation where the better he does for us, the less likely he will ever be our player - especially given the fact that he or Utd can cancel the loan in January (I predict a flurry of bids if he plays remotely well). I get that all loan moves entail an element of this sort of thing, but this situation just feels strange and I would rather give someone else the chance who is more likely to repay our faith. We offered Clevs a platform to rebuild his flat-lining career and he has instead engineered a no-lose situation for himself where we will probably end up being the fools. I will be happy to be proved wrong of course. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2014/09/04/stats-how-does-cleverley-compare-to-aston-villas-starting-centra/?utm_medium=share%2Bbutton&utm_campaign=social%2Bmedia&utm_content=/en-gb/2014/09/04/stats-how-does-cleverley-compare-to-aston-villas-starting-centra/&utm_source=Twitter Ultimately, Cleverley is far from guaranteed spot in Paul Lambert's starting lineup, despite his United credentials, but it's clear that he has the ability to contribute to the squad, even if only on a rotational basis. Whether that would be enough to convince the club to hand over the reported fee it would take to keep him in the midlands for good remains to be seen, but his form during the first-half of the season will no doubt be crucial towards determining where his future lies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 In an ideal world, you should be picked on merit, not reputation, but that is down to opinion and the only opinion that matters is the managers It is at every club The managers........They live and die by it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YLN Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 So, my take on it: Frankly, I don't like it one bit. Cleverley did not want to join us on a permanent basis, and if accounts are to be believed messed us and Lambert around with the 11th hour Everton bid. Now that on it's own doesn't wind me up too much - Everton & Martinez are clearly a more attractive prospect to Clevs for a number of reasons. However, having shown a substantial financial commitment (£8 mil) and personal interest in him as a player, we're now left in the perverse situation where the better he does for us, the less likely he will ever be our player - especially given the fact that he or Utd can cancel the loan in January (I predict a flurry of bids if he plays remotely well). I get that all loan moves entail an element of this sort of thing, but this situation just feels strange and I would rather give someone else the chance who is more likely to repay our faith. We offered Clevs a platform to rebuild his flat-lining career and he has instead engineered a no-lose situation for himself where we will probably end up being the fools. I will be happy to be proved wrong of course. But... the better he does, the better we do..... If he does really well and then leaves because a bigger team comes in for him, then **** it. We had a good player for a year. if he doesn't do well, then **** it. Thank **** we didn't buy him. If he does alright and wants to move here then let's see. Either way the situation doesn't really change. Benefit/risk of the deal was weighed up and here we are with a player that people are slightly afraid might improve us too much.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedClaretAndBlue Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Please stop callin him Clevs. Only gets a nickname when he does well for a while. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozvillafan Posted September 5, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted September 5, 2014 Please stop callin him Clevs. Only gets a nickname when he does well for a while. Tell that to 'the Rock'. Go on - I dares ya! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBM Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 i totally agree that its an odd one, its a situation where again, the club could get shat on! but, on the other hand, if he enjoys his season here and wants to stay beyond that, and utd dont recall him in january, we could get him for a very discounted price, but itll mean utd wont want to do business with us again, unless for an extortionate fee however, another possibility is, that everton make an improved bid in january (over £8m) which would then entice utd to recall him and sell him to the 'tons on 31st of jan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phumfeinz Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 I thought Man Utd wouldn't have wanted to do business with us ever again after Ashley Young. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozvillafan Posted September 5, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted September 5, 2014 I thought Man Utd wouldn't have wanted to do business with us ever again after Ashley Young. That was our payback for the Djemba twins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBM Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 even though they had a sweetener deal in a 2 for 1 when they bought yorke, then got bossie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Pragmatism is not a trait of the average football fan, but i'm afriad it is a skill we need to acquire especially in this deal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedClaretAndBlue Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Please stop callin him Clevs. Only gets a nickname when he does well for a while. Tell that to 'the Rock'. Go on - I dares ya! Mr. Maivia is fine, he's a dude but Tom Cleverley is a tit until proven otherwise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 (edited) I think the thing people are missing is that it's much better to get him on loan for a season than to waste £8m on him and be stuck with him forever. At least this way we can assess him properly and put in a sensible bid/contract offer for him when he's on a free next summer if we want. Edited September 5, 2014 by villa89 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 I think the thing people are missing is that it's much better to get him on loan for a season than to waste £8m on him and be stuck with him forever. At least this way we can assess him properly and put in a sensible bid/contract offer for him when he's on a free next summer if we want. We haven't done this to assess him and get him cheaper. It happened because his agent messed us around and it was late when the deal was back on. I'd imagine everything is in place for us to pay the agreed price in january to make it a permanent deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 I think the thing people are missing is that it's much better to get him on loan for a season than to waste £8m on him and be stuck with him forever. At least this way we can assess him properly and put in a sensible bid/contract offer for him when he's on a free next summer if we want. I'd imagine everything is in place for us to pay the agreed price in january to make it a permanent deal. That would be a bit daft as we could sign him up to a pre contract in Jan for nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YLN Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 I think the thing people are missing is that it's much better to get him on loan for a season than to waste £8m on him and be stuck with him forever. At least this way we can assess him properly and put in a sensible bid/contract offer for him when he's on a free next summer if we want. We haven't done this to assess him and get him cheaper. It happened because his agent messed us around and it was late when the deal was back on. I'd imagine everything is in place for us to pay the agreed price in january to make it a permanent deal. Ah yes.. Probably have him mostly paid for in principle with the loan fee and have a fee of a couple hundred grand agreed that we can pay in January to complete the deal. Didn't think of that. Ho hum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 I think the thing people are missing is that it's much better to get him on loan for a season than to waste £8m on him and be stuck with him forever. At least this way we can assess him properly and put in a sensible bid/contract offer for him when he's on a free next summer if we want. I'd imagine everything is in place for us to pay the agreed price in january to make it a permanent deal. That would be a bit daft as we could sign him up to a pre contract in Jan for nothing. But then we wouldn't have him now. United didn't want to loan him out, they wanted to sell him. We wanted to buy him. It appears as though that has happened, when the money is paid is completely irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3te Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 (edited) I think the thing people are missing is that it's much better to get him on loan for a season than to waste £8m on him and be stuck with him forever. At least this way we can assess him properly and put in a sensible bid/contract offer for him when he's on a free next summer if we want. I'd imagine everything is in place for us to pay the agreed price in january to make it a permanent deal.That would be a bit daft as we could sign him up to a pre contract in Jan for nothing. Jesus. NO WE CANT. ONLY FOREIGN CLUBS CAN SIGN PRE-CONTACTS WITH PLAYERS IN JANUARY Edited September 5, 2014 by P3te Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YLN Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 And again, when more than one club in the entire Starbucksed world wants a player, there's no such thing as a free transfer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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