Cliffy Biro Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Yea thats not the way we should be doing things like that, why is he in america anyway? Isnt he supposed to be running us day to day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Condimentalist Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Telegraph Sport understands the 45-year-old was shocked that Fox did not agree to meet face-to-face and his disappointment was reflected in his statement issued by the League Managers Association. The statement did not mention Fox, who was appointed in August, it is believed Lambert felt he deserved more respect after completing over two years of service. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/11408311/Paul-Lambert-put-heart-and-soul-into-Aston-Villa-job-before-Premier-League-strugglers-sacked-him-over-phone.html Poor show if true, although if he's in the US I suppose it's in some way understandable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morley_crosses_to_Withe Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 (edited) Going from unwavering support to firing someone isn't an issue. There are fans who staunchly backed the manager and then changed their mind after the Hull game. That's fine. There has to be a tipping point. Having the balls to change your mind and then to act on it isn't something that should draw much criticism. I'd be more worried if Fox had backed Lambert all the way out of blind support and stubbornness to admit he was wrong. Edited February 12, 2015 by Morley_crosses_to_Withe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted February 12, 2015 Moderator Share Posted February 12, 2015 I agree with you MCTW but it does mean anything he says should probably be taken with a pinch of salt. He says himself that 'actions speak louder than words'. Which basically gives us permission to dismiss what he says as being largely rhetorical hot air 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 On the face of it, a phone call firing is pretty tacky, but the impression ive had for a while now is that Lambert was used to talking shop over the telephone. You do get the feeling that Fox and Lambert didnt quite get on that well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted February 12, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted February 12, 2015 Lambert is right here I think, he's taken on a job that the owner said would be very tough. He's knuckled down and got on with it and done the job well enough off the field to get a decentish squad together (decent first XI I'd say) whilst slashing wages and having very little spending money. All the time shouldering the responsibility and taking the flak for his players and more importantly Randy Lerner. For that, being told face to face would be the minimum he deserves I reckon. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smetrov Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 On the face of it, a phone call firing is pretty tacky, but the impression ive had for a while now is that Lambert was used to talking shop over the telephone. You do get the feeling that Fox and Lambert didnt quite get on that well. The sudden change of style after a couple of low gates - it seems even more feasible now that these were instructions from above Lambert.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momo Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 This is a currently a shit club with shit structures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 This is a currently a shit club with shit structures. TBF to Fox, it seems hes trying to get structure in place at long last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Lambert is right here I think, he's taken on a job that the owner said would be very tough. He's knuckled down and got on with it and done the job well enough off the field to get a decentish squad together (decent first XI I'd say) whilst slashing wages and having very little spending money. All the time shouldering the responsibility and taking the flak for his players and more importantly Randy Lerner. For that, being told face to face would be the minimum he deserves I reckon. I havent seen any quote from Lambert to say he was pissed off about it being over the phone and to be honest I dont see how it makes any difference to anything. He was being paid £60k per week to do a job he wasnt very good at and he has been given £3m as a payout for not being very good at this job. All in all I think he has done rather well 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 12, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted February 12, 2015 I agree with you MCTW but it does mean anything he says should probably be taken with a pinch of salt. He says himself that 'actions speak louder than words'. Which basically gives us permission to dismiss what he says as being largely rhetorical hot air To be fair I think he did show unwavering support. Lambert's job was clearly to keep the team in the league and Fox and Lerner were extremely loyal as long as he was meeting that criteria. They could quite easily have sacked him at numerous points and everyone would have said fair enough. They only buckled after it became clear he was no longer meeting that criteria. I'm not passing that off as a positive. I'd rather they had more ambition than to show loyalty to someone who is only keeping us in the league (even if that is partly their fault) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Lambert is right here I think, he's taken on a job that the owner said would be very tough. He's knuckled down and got on with it and done the job well enough off the field to get a decentish squad together (decent first XI I'd say) whilst slashing wages and having very little spending money. All the time shouldering the responsibility and taking the flak for his players and more importantly Randy Lerner. For that, being told face to face would be the minimum he deserves I reckon. I havent seen any quote from Lambert to say he was pissed off about it being over the phone and to be honest I dont see how it makes any difference to anything. He was being paid £60k per week to do a job he wasnt very good at and he has been given £3m as a payout for not being very good at this job. All in all I think he has done rather well yep, i would gladly be fired over the phone with a 2m parting word Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 I would say if anything Lerner probably wanted to keep him and Fox was in US telling him the opposite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Lambert is right here I think, he's taken on a job that the owner said would be very tough. He's knuckled down and got on with it and done the job well enough off the field to get a decentish squad together (decent first XI I'd say) whilst slashing wages and having very little spending money. All the time shouldering the responsibility and taking the flak for his players and more importantly Randy Lerner. For that, being told face to face would be the minimum he deserves I reckon. Why? To fulfill some kind of quasi macho entitlement to respect? 12 goals in 25 games, he can hardly have been surprised however it came. He has said as much himself. I understand him being pissed off, but he's a big boy, he'll get over it. No time for sentimentality, they've a football club to save. One Lambert has almost buried after her owner bought her to her knees admittedly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 how do we know it was a phone call? it could have been a video conference. Did Lambert want a hug or something to make him feel a bit better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 12, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted February 12, 2015 how do we know it was a phone call? it could have been a video conference. Did Lambert want a hug or something to make him feel a bit better Nobody knows it was a phonecall. Just journos adding 2 and 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dont_do_it_doug. Posted February 12, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted February 12, 2015 So you're saying... ...it's a false narrative? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Condimentalist Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 On the face of it, a phone call firing is pretty tacky, but the impression ive had for a while now is that Lambert was used to talking shop over the telephone. You do get the feeling that Fox and Lambert didnt quite get on that well. The sudden change of style after a couple of low gates - it seems even more feasible now that these were instructions from above Lambert.... Yeah. It's true, and the way Lambert has spoken about the change of style as well, it sounds as though it rankles with him that a new American CEO has come in and told him how to do his job. Looked at in that light, it's almost like the Arsenal tactics were trying to prove a point. I'm not sure we'd be down where we are if we hadn't changed style. That said, we'd already been on an 8 match winless streak before the Palace game so it's hardly like the old style was working too well either. Leicester at home was the first time we seemed to be trying to keep the ball a bit more. Ultimately this season has just been a bit of a mess Let's hope for a happy ending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Lerner is too passive, Lambert was too passive...I like the idea that we have a guy who clearly isnt. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENTLEMAN Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Lerner is too passive, Lambert was too passive...I like the idea that we have a guy who clearly isnt. You don't get to work for Nike and Pepsi with that attitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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