Con Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 The first sentence is perfectly fine and possible (though it is equally possible that they are over represented - there being no actual, concrete figures to call upon); the second is stupid, verging upon the objectionable. I don't believe it is "equally possible that they are over represented" - that is, more than 6% of professional footballers are gay. There is absolutely no reason to believe that. It is very likely that much less than 6% professional footballers are gay. One of the good reasons not to believe that is because there are professions where gay men exceed 6% and football is nothing like those professions. I don't believe it is objectionable to state the obvious that the number of gay men in the stereotypically gay professions - hairdressing, fashion design - will be more than 6 per 100. Competitive sports? It's nothing like hairdressing or fashion design. There will be fewer gay men because gay men on average do not like them as much. I'm not saying gay men don't exist in these sports or can't like them because they're gay. I'm not saying a man who likes hairdressing or fashion is gay. Absolutely not. I'm saying that sexuality has an influence over ones life interests and life choices and for gay men this means not usually playing professional football, golf, rugby or joining the army. Yes, there are always exceptions and they should be well treated. However, I'll make the prediction that despite this high-profile ex-player coming out he won't be a catalyst that will reveal a hitherto unknown large population of gay men in Premier League football teams, because they don't exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Fair play to him. Maybe now the next guy will have to courage to come out before he retires. Justin Fashanu did, a long time ago. Wasn't happy with the reception that announcement got. I'm not sure if we know the reason why he took his own life but he may have considered coming out a mistake. Your average football fan is the same one who will probably sit in his armchair and laugh at Graham Norton's Eurovision gags and might credit Elton John with musical ability etc. Why should he act different next to a football pitch? Maybe it's more the misconception all gay men can't play football - i.e. are all floppy-wristed dandies - than homophobia over their sexuality (if it was the latter they wouldn't enjoy out gay entertainers). Maybe if there were a few examples of highly-skilled gay football super-stars of Ronaldo and Neymar calibre the average fan would not think gay men are only good at entertainment. I don't think Thomas Hitzlsperger got to quite that level though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Seriously? You can hold whatever opinion you care to but don't have the temerity to put it forward as something based on actual figures, actual research, actual facts or anything more than you sticking your finger up your own arsehole and pulling out shit. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 I don't think that's a good way to engage someone in debate. I've put forward a reasoned argument. You are asserting its wrong without engaging with it at all, then flame me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post StefanAVFC Posted January 9, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted January 9, 2014 Con I have a graph for you 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 No, I'd still watch Villa if the entire first XI were gay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 (edited) I don't think that's a good way to engage someone in debate. I've put forward a reasoned argument. You are asserting its wrong without engaging with it at all, then flame me.A 'reasoned argument' by fiddling your way through this thing with shit maths, guesswork 'statistics' and so on?If you don't realize that the way in which you addressed this subject from the start is piss poor then I doubt anyone can help you.Edited. Edited January 9, 2014 by snowychap 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 (edited) .. Edited January 9, 2014 by snowychap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENTLEMAN Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 (edited) Proud of you, Hitz Edited January 9, 2014 by GENTLEMAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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privateer Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Wasn't hitz around the same time as Postma He had a girlfriend when he was at villa. Possibly not gay when he played for us ? Ah, yes, I see what you are saying. The old nature/nurture debate. I think we are approaching scientific proof that playing for Everton can turn you gay. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jadenb42 Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 (edited) Auto typing on phone is awful Edited January 9, 2014 by jadenb42 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCforever1991 Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Con, stop digging... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFC_Hitz Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 If your a good footballer your a good footballer but if they playing professional does come put will they be known as the a good gay footballer? I have no idea what this last bit means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Next up, Con analysing a woman's menstrual cycle. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted January 9, 2014 Moderator Share Posted January 9, 2014 Of course I'm not trying to "out" players. I was highlighting your comment that dressing rooms would be too professional to care if players were gay.You can't think of any childish or inappropriate antics to suggest not all players are forward-thinking liberals?Ashley Cole, John Terry, Balotelli, Di Canio, and whoever put the pig's head in Kenwyne Jones' locker all say "Hi". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted January 9, 2014 Moderator Share Posted January 9, 2014 PS the imaginary stats and conjecture I'm reading here are unbelievably ridiculous.I state this as someone who has around 15 years experience in both the fashion and football industries. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chappy Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Why the stats, why always the stats?!?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 It is a well know fact that 72% of all Con's statistics are made up in his head. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villarule123 Posted January 9, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted January 9, 2014 Hitzlsperger jokes already going on at our place, homophobia has a long way to go before it gets to how racism is seen as now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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