heid3ster Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Takes strength and courage to come out publically, even after you've retired. Proud of you, Hitz. Good for you. Helps pave the way for others. Be who you are! Like others, I look forward to the day when this is no longer news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 I am a bit surprised as I thought he had a girlfriend at Uni here in Brum at the time he played for us? Elton John got married. Lots of gay people have heterosexual relationships. Why? (Honest question!) I don't know, I'm not gay. I presume it is down to societal pressure though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 brave man der hammar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Tonev should watch this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNrwplJmuTk Inane bit of trivia, but I was every single one of those games. I actually think I attended every game in which Tommy scored for us, home and away. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Justin Fashanu was the first to come out and he got terrible abuse and no support from his brother and tragically he ended up killing himself, Football is still years behind the times but thankfully its nowhere near as bad as it was in the 70/80s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 They figure life will be easier if they pretend to be straight? 1. It's really unfair to the girl in the relationship. Meh, I have gone out with girls a number of times where I didn't plan any long term future for the relationship and girls do the same. If it is a mutually beneficial relationship for a while there is nothing wrong really. They could also be bi... 2. Why not come out as bi then? Instead of one or the other. It's not really that simple though is it. It is often said that sexual orientation is not a binary gay or straight choice but a spectrum with very gay at one end, very straight at the other and many people somewhere along that slide rule. If someone is still working out how they feel they might try different options before understanding themselves better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electric Avenue Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Does this mean he'll be on Splash in the coming weeks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetrees Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 I am a bit surprised as I thought he had a girlfriend at Uni here in Brum at the time he played for us? Elton John got married. Lots of gay people have heterosexual relationships. Why? (Honest question!) From the two examples that I know off, it is to fulfil the wish to have children (both were before this gay adoption thing) At least one of the arrangements seemed to be with the woman's knowledge. The second one, I'm not so sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-Carlsen Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 (edited) I don't see how that can be so offensive. I mean, I understand it because it is that way and people react to it, but if you look at what he said it was just a creative way of expressing what gays ACTUALLY do. Hammering butts It's like certain people doesn't think it's right to call a black person, black. "no, don't call him black, call him culturally enriched", like black is something to be ashamed of? If we have a color we call black and someones face has that same color, it would be unnatural to not use that word to f.ex seperate that man from another. In the same mould, a gay man has and/or desire sex with men. Why is it then wrong to state that that is the case? You can not compare those two terms at all though. Calling someone "black" is not the same at all as calling someone "Der Butthammer". One is an acceptable term to describe someone's ethnicity, the other is a derogatory term to describe someone's sexuality. To say that it's ok because "it's what gays do", is a very silly view to take in my opinion. To assume that he engages in anal intercourse, just because he's admitted to being a homosexual is just ignorant. I understand what you're saying, but do not completely agree with you Let's turn it around... let's say this story was about Hitz going Tiger Woods on lots of women and someone called him "der pus*yhammer" etc, would you then respond: "...that's a derogatory term to describe someone's sexuality. To say that it's ok because "it's what heterosexuals do", is a very silly view to take in my opinion. To assume that he engages in vaginal intercourse, just because he's admitted to being a sex addict is just ignorant." If yes, fair enough. If no: I feel like the problem is that we make homosexuality into something special, when it isn't. Just like heterosexuality isn't. It's just different sexual orientation. If we are to accept it, it should not get treated any different than what it is. Meaning, something that happens before birth and is not a matter of choice. It shouldn't matter. Like skin color, haircolor, height etc. But somewhere along the way we have decided that it's ok to joke about X, but not Y. Haircolor, but not race. Height, but not sexual orientation etc. When none of these things should make a difference in judging a persons character, because they aren't a part of a person character at all. It's labels, "he is a gay man", "he is a black man", might as well say "he is man with DNA". If, and notice the IF, it's "OK" to make sexual jokes, then why not homosexual jokes? What makes the homosexual version cruel if the heterosexual version/counterpart is funny? Homosexuality shouldn't be anything to be ashamed of, it becomes that because it is not treated as something normal. Edited January 8, 2014 by K-Carlsen 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarethRDR Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 George Takei has posted about our Tommy now and he added that he is "very easy on the eye" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetrees Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 I just dont get why anyone would be bothered about who he likes/sleeps with. because it is good for the gay lobby. Lots of tweets about him being 'brave' and 'courageous'. I am heterosexual, does that mean that I am 'brave' and 'courageous'? Thomas is a nice guy, an average footballer who became a cult figure at the Villa. He was a nice guy before we knew he was gay, and he is still a nice guy. But as a news item, it is only trumped up by the overly politically correct media. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vandaq Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 good for him, he was one of my favorite villa players when I was younger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 the gay lobby. wut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarethRDR Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 (edited) I assumed that was a place they all meet to socialise and what not. Edited January 8, 2014 by GarethRDR 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevangrealish Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Ffs, I was hoping one day Hitz would have a child who grew up to be younger Hitzlesperger and so I could shout 'SHOOT !!! ' again and we would see a load more screamers. Ah well suppose ill just have to continue saying it to tonev then ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCforever1991 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 I assumed that was a place they all meat to socialise and what not. I thought that was starbucks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post briny_ear Posted January 8, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted January 8, 2014 Lots of tweets about him being 'brave' and 'courageous'. I am heterosexual, does that mean that I am 'brave' and 'courageous'? No, but then you don't have to be because being heterosexual, sexual relationships between man and women, and committing heterosexual acts between consenting adults have not been the subject of massive discrimination by society, unlike being gay which, until very recently, was actually illegal in the UK until the 1960s, and in some respects (e.g. age of consent) until the 1990s. People who are gay still suffer low-level discrimination (e.g. bed and breakfast owners refusing them rooms on the grounds of religion), and hate crimes. Heterosexuals suffer none of these. And that's just the UK. Best of luck if you are gay and want to live an open life in many parts of Africa, or Russia for example. This seems a bizarre area to depict as "politically correct". 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Won't change my opinion of him. Nice bloke and a good player for us. Good luck Der Hammer That makes it sound like you're doing such a great deed by not changing your opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Ffs, I was hoping one day Hitz would have a child who grew up to be younger Hitzlesperger and so I could shout 'SHOOT !!! ' again and we would see a load more screamers. Ah well suppose ill just have to continue saying it to tonev then ! The good news for you is that gay men can, and sometimes - maybe increasingly often - do, create babies, so maybe your hopes are not entirely dashed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villarocker Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Fair play to him for saying it but, for me personally, shouldn't a gay man or woman say this to the people with whom they share a changing room? I mean, if I was to walk into a changing room full of women they'd either rape me or call the police. I'm no George Clooney so the latter would probably be on the cards. So, shouldn't a woman who will look at another woman in a way of finding her attractive, also be forbidden from being in the same room? The same going for men! Maybe I'm politically incorrect for saying that, and apologies to anyone who might be offended by that, but surely there is some truth in my pov? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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