Kingman Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Delphinho123 said: Can't countries just organise their own tournament or break away? Like a European super league but globally? Think we've seen the film before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, Delphinho123 said: This is a genuine question. Apologies for the ignorance. But why do we have FIFA. Why does it have to be the FIFA WC? I know it's always been done this way but we're talking about one of the most corrupt organisations in the world here. Why do they have to organise it? Can't countries just organise their own tournament or break away? It's very likely what will happen, now that FIFA's shown their colours yet again. Infantino lied his way into office by saying they needed to clean up their act. He's done the opposite. Europe, South America, North America, Japan, Korea, Australia, New Zealand and the democratic nations of Africa (the good footballing sides), won't even notice the likes of Russia, China, SA, Qatar and North Korea missing. They can have their own totalitarian world cup. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted November 21, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted November 21, 2022 2 hours ago, The_Steve said: Kane should just wear it. F*ck FIFA. Or wear a slogan under the shirt. Kiss celebration. Just do something lads. Pretty big assumption that England manage to score. Unless you mean Maguire's inevitable own goal of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted November 21, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted November 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Delphinho123 said: This is a genuine question. Apologies for the ignorance. But why do we have FIFA. Why does it have to be the FIFA WC? I know it's always been done this way but we're talking about one of the most corrupt organisations in the world here. Why do they have to organise it? Can't countries just organise their own tournament or break away? every sport needs a governing body. just a shame the football one is so corrupt the likes of the euros are organised by the various other organisations i.e. uefa in terms of break away, that was essentially the super league. it was to be not in any way affiliated with fifa. the players would've been forbidden from playing in any fifa recognised tournament i.e the world cup. so the idea of a break away is not as great as it sounds. it's far easier to just sort the current governing body out...which in itself is far from easy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Kingman said: Like a European super league but globally? Think we've seen the film before I knew that would be brought up... But surely this is different. Teams breaking away from their domestic leagues is a little different from national teams breaking away from FIFA, surely? It wouldn't be easy, I get that, and it goes against the status quo, but FIFA is a cancerous, odious organisation that just isn't fit for purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 1 minute ago, tomav84 said: every sport needs a governing body. just a shame the football one is so corrupt the likes of the euros are organised by the various other organisations i.e. uefa in terms of break away, that was essentially the super league. it was to be not in any way affiliated with fifa. the players would've been forbidden from playing in any fifa recognised tournament i.e the world cup. so the idea of a break away is not as great as it sounds. it's far easier to just sort the current governing body out...which in itself is far from easy Yeh, some very good points. It's a mess from top to bottom then to surmise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Xela Posted November 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 21, 2022 26 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: We know their opinions and way they are are wrong. These people are dinosaurs and cave men. I cant see what the fa could have done. Lets face it if the Qataris dont want to change they wont whether we like it or not. We do things the right way we accept things. They might hav emoney but they certainly do not have class and all the money in the world cant make your national team any good. Your football teams as bad as cyprus and we dont have money What Qatar's customs, laws and views are, is none of our business and we have no right to tell other countries to change if they don't want to. The big issue is that the WC should never have been held there. Thats the crux of it. It shouldn't have been awarded to them, and only was because FIFA are bent. 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 7 minutes ago, Delphinho123 said: This is a genuine question. Apologies for the ignorance. But why do we have FIFA. Why does it have to be the FIFA WC? I know it's always been done this way but we're talking about one of the most corrupt organisations in the world here. Why do they have to organise it? Can't countries just organise their own tournament or break away? I dont think it qould be any different organised by somebody else. Italian and Spanish FA have played games in Middle Eastern countries and the Premier League are begging to do the same 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 5 minutes ago, Delphinho123 said: I knew that would be brought up... But surely this is different. Teams breaking away from their domestic leagues is a little different from national teams breaking away from FIFA, surely? It wouldn't be easy, I get that, and it goes against the status quo, but FIFA is a cancerous, odious organisation that just isn't fit for purpose. When its a governing body it becomes very difficult, Probably got more chance removing HMRC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Delphinho123 Posted November 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 21, 2022 A World Cup should never be awarded to a country that wouldn't also host a Womens World Cup. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 11 minutes ago, mjmooney said: What planet has she been living on? A sheltered one by the sound of it, maybe the euros being last year and this being in November has thrown her but she really really could not give a single **** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted November 21, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted November 21, 2022 (edited) Echoes... Quote On 14 May 1938 in a packed Olympic Stadium in Berlin, a crowd of 110,000 watched the England football team defeat Germany 6-3 in very hot conditions. The game is chiefly remembered as the setting for one of the most famous photographs in the history of English football. Before the kick-off, the England players stood to attention for God Save the King, while the German players gave the Nazi salute. Then, during the German national anthem, Deutschland über Alles, and the Nazi anthem Horst-Wessel-Lied, both the English and German teams joined in giving the salute. The resulting photographs remain iconic as a representation of sport’s relationship with politics. Watching the game, and observing the protocol, were the players of Aston Villa, who were due to play a German Select XI – mainly composed of Austrians – in the same stadium the following day. The context to these fixtures was the British policy of appeasement, introduced in 1935. By May 1938, Anglo-German tensions were increasing following the Anschluss with Austria, and repeated German claims to the Sudetenland. Just a week before the game, Hitler had been on a state visit to Mussolini’s Italy. Nevertheless, Neville Chamberlain remained committed to seeking international détente with an emphasis upon rapprochement between Britain and Germany. Throughout the 1930s, international sport was becoming ever more explicitly politicised. The Nazis used sporting events to pain a favourable image of Germany in the international spotlight. In 1935, 10,000 well-behaved German fans had visited London to watch their team lose 3-0 to England. The following year’s Olympics in Berlin gave Hitler and Goebbels a global platform to promote the virtues of Nazi Germany. In 1930s Britain too, governments were no less concerned about the impact of sport on international relations. Sport became part of a cultural propaganda campaign in which international success was used to promote the British values of sportsmanship and “fair play”. In 1938, the British Ambassador, Neville Henderson, was keen for an English victory to refute German propaganda claims of racial superiority. However, for diplomatic reasons, Henderson had also wanted the team to show respect to the Nazi regime. Thus, before the international match in 1938 FA officials, included its secretary, Stanley Rous, decided that the players should give the Nazi salute during the anthem and after the game. England’s players were not unaware of the game’s political significance and their initial reaction had been to refuse, but they were persuaded by the FA of the importance of the gesture. After the game, Rous had been keen to cement good relations. “It was a splendid game”, he reported, “We are glad we won by such a good margin. The boys are delighted with the result. They particularly admired the sportsmanship of the crowd. You can say that we greatly appreciated the attitude of everyone – referee, officials, opposing players and the crowd.” The German press, under instruction from Goebbels, Hitler’s Minister for Propaganda, was full of praise for England’s performance. In British coverage meanwhile, there was little direct criticism of the German regime, with newspapers instead focusing on England’s success on the pitch. One press report described the “picturesque sight” of the stadium, “with the Nazi Swastikas flown from the poles all around the ground.” Nevertheless, Anglo-German tensions were never far from the surface. On the same page of the Birmingham Gazette, a column praising the performance of Villa’s Frank Broome sat alongside a main article – under the eye-catching headline, “GESTAPO” – describing Nazi surveillance of the 20,000 Germans living in Britain. The careful diplomatic efforts which had preceded the England fixture were put into disarray twenty-fours later following the Aston Villa game. While the second match also attracted a crowd of 110,000, the atmosphere though was in marked contrast to Germany versus England, which one British press report claimed had been played in silence. Before the game the Villa players had given the Nazi salute as instructed and would go on to win 3-2. However, this match itself was marked by “a continual chorus of cat-calls and shrill whistling”. During the match Villa had stirred the fans’ ire by successfully employing an offside trap. This tactic was unfamiliar to German football at the time and had the effect of frustrating fans and players alike. Tensions were raised further after Villa’s Alec Massie brought down Germany’s inside-left, Camillo Jerusalem, with players from each side needing to be separated by the referee. The jeering intensified after the final whistle, when the Villa players this time failed to give the Nazi salute demanded by protocol. This was later claimed as a misunderstanding: most of the Villa players had been near the dressing rooms and had simply walked off at the end of the game. Nevertheless, their actions sparked some frenetic diplomatic activity on both sides. Goebbels suppressed hostile press coverage as well as photographs of the Villa players walking off the pitch, on the grounds that it might have affected Anglo-German goodwill. The FA then put pressure on Villa via Fred Rinder, an FA councillor and long-serving Villa director, to ensure that protocols would be followed for Villa’s next game a few days later in Dusseldorf. While the Dusseldorf game – against another German Select XI – passed without incident, Villa players dutifully saluting, tensions resurfaced at the team’s third match, this time in Stuttgart. Ahead of the game, attempts had been made to placate German spectators, who were informed that Villa’s offside trap was in accordance with the laws of the game and warned against making hostile demonstrations. This had no effect, and after every offside decision the crowd rose as one to boo and hiss the English side’s tactics. It was a rough game, with Villa playing for much of the game with ten men due to an injury to one of their players. After the game the Villa players were given protection by SS guards and Stormtroopers. While some post-war accounts sought to claim that English players had been unhappy at having to give the salute, there was little indication of this at the time. Indeed, the policy of appeasement was generally accepted in Britain until after the Munich Conference. Nevertheless, the Villa games of 1938 provide an insight into the fragile nature of diplomatic relations at the time, as well as the increasing importance of international sport as a form of soft power. History Workshop Apropos of nothing, I find it mildly amusing that the German team had a player called 'Jerusalem'. Edited November 21, 2022 by mjmooney 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted November 21, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted November 21, 2022 2 hours ago, foreveryoung said: Please don't compare rainbow arm band to the Poppy. Q Why did those soldiers lay down their lives? A To protect freedom and defeat an oppressive regime. You think they would be happy to see an oppressive regime bullying England's finest? You think they would see their self sacrifice a worthwhile? May as well have just joined the Nazis then. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chindie Posted November 21, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted November 21, 2022 "Congratulations Iran, winner of the 2022 World Cup!" Budweiser CEO - Shit. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 Alex Scott wearing the armband, fair play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 7 minutes ago, trekka said: Get grealish on that pitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 I have seen more atmosphere in a pre season game at Walsall Pathetic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted November 21, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted November 21, 2022 2 hours ago, Genie said: Players should kiss each other after every goal now Tongues and everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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