Zatman Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 6 minutes ago, PaulC said: Yes but shambolic in Champions league and couldn't be bothered in Europa league. They are representing this country and need to earn respect. compared to Leicester they are a disgrace Spurs represent Spurs in Europe. No patriotism for Champions League unless your in the media. Dont think neutral Spanish fans be cheering for Barca or Real or neutral French cheering for PSG when they are playing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 I think most neutrals wanted Leicester to do well in the champions league last season. Not Forest and Derby fans obviously! Still think they need to show a bit more in Europe than they have. get out the group stage at least else nobody can say this is a great team. They wont win the league this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 9 minutes ago, PaulC said: I think most neutrals wanted Leicester to do well in the champions league last season. Not Forest and Derby fans obviously! Still think they need to show a bit more in Europe than they have. get out the group stage at least else nobody can say this is a great team. They wont win the league this season. most wanted them to do well before the assistant and players stabbed Ranieri in the back. Then they became as detestable as other clubs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 1 hour ago, PaulC said: I think I would rather the north west do well over London myself. I grew up hating Utd during the fergie era and could never want them to do well. Liverpool, the fans do my head in and so again could never want them to do well (despite being my very first team before I knew better. City are just city. Spurs at least play young British players and develop a lot of youth 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 Definitely hope Spurs do well this year, easily least dislikeable of the lot, but they should probably at least bring in 1 or 2 players before the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted July 28, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted July 28, 2017 I like them, but then my Dad supports them so I'm a bit biased. I remember him waxing lyrical about the '61 double winning team, telling me about John White, etc. My first Villa match was against Spurs (2-1, God and Yorke). I have fond memories of them in the 90's, most notably the entertaining 94-95 season of Klinsmann, Sheringham, Barmby and Anderton. To top it all, arguably their most famous goal was scored by Villa For me, easily the most likeable of the top six. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 I do have fond memories of white hart lane to be fair. one of my first games was there when Ardiles and Villa made their debuts but we spoilt their party and Brian Little was amazing in our 4-1 win. John Gregory played up front I think. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilS Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 10 hours ago, mikeyp102 said: I grew up hating Utd during the fergie era and could never want them to do well. Liverpool, the fans do my head in and so again could never want them to do well (despite being my very first team before I knew better. City are just city. Spurs at least play young British players and develop a lot of youth This is my take on it as well. Although I have never been a big fan of Spurs (I used to hate them along with all the others), I have a bit of respect for how they have built themselves squad and club wise over the last few years and my dislike for Spurs has dwindled as a consequence. It is easy to knock them for not winning anything, but at least they are challenging, and I imagine they are not too far from winning some silverware again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted July 28, 2017 Moderator Share Posted July 28, 2017 On 26/07/2017 at 18:38, Zatman said: I think its scary they are the top team I most respect at the moment and be happy if won title race No I want the status quo. Keep them on 2 titles. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islingtonclaret Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 (edited) It really, really upsets me seeing these guys who have, for a long time, been amongst our equals ("the top teams that never quite make it") race away from us with a massive stadium and massive international presence. The rate at which we became nobodies while Everton, Spurs and Man City became massive powerhouses keeping up with the times is frightening. edit - in b4 Everton need a new ground etc. I know this, but that doesn't stop them buying and selling multimillion pound stars. Edited July 28, 2017 by islingtonclaret Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 4 hours ago, Rodders said: Definitely hope Spurs do well this year, easily least dislikeable of the lot, but they should probably at least bring in 1 or 2 players before the end. Spurs > Arsenal > Liverpool > <large gap> Chelsea > Man City > Man Utd in terms of "likeability" of top 6 for me. Close between the 2 Manchester clubs - City just about pip Utd because they don't have Mourinho. If Mourinho left Man Utd, they'd be slightly more preferable than Man City. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, bobzy said: Spurs > Arsenal > Liverpool > <large gap> Chelsea > Man City > Man Utd in terms of "likeability" of top 6 for me. Close between the 2 Manchester clubs - City just about pip Utd because they don't have Mourinho. If Mourinho left Man Utd, they'd be slightly more preferable than Man City. Mostly agree apart from I'd put Liverpool and their nutcase fans only above United. Ironic that they hate each other so much when they're both the most detestable clubs around. Edited July 28, 2017 by Wainy316 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted July 28, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted July 28, 2017 3 minutes ago, bobzy said: Spurs > Arsenal > Liverpool > <large gap> Chelsea > Man City > Man Utd in terms of "likeability" of top 6 for me. Close between the 2 Manchester clubs - City just about pip Utd because they don't have Mourinho. If Mourinho left Man Utd, they'd be slightly more preferable than Man City. Yeah thst's fairly close to my preferences too. Although a few of those teams are regularly interchangeable, depending on who I think are the most hateful at the time. Over the last few years, the best thing about the premier league for me is that every year, several of those teams are going to be disappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted July 28, 2017 Moderator Share Posted July 28, 2017 Liking a team and wanting them to win the league are 2 very different things to me. I don't mind Spurs, but if you're asking would I rather United throw another title on the pile, or Spurs break their 57 year duck then I'll go with United by a huge margin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post a m ole Posted July 28, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted July 28, 2017 It's very easy for me. Spurs are likeable because they're not winning everything yet, and have great, amiable players. Arsenal are alright because they don't win anything major, have the charm of an outside chance and when they were successful, had some likeable players performing some stunning football. Chelsea famous as the money club, with Mourinho's legacy are easy to dislike, but have had players like Makelele, Drogba, Lampard, who have been fantastic to watch. Man City are new money, and it's still a little raw with the timing of their rise alongside our demise. Man Utd as the original money club are vile and a grew up (early 90s) feeling more intense rivalry with them than any other club. Easily last though, are Liverpool. An arrogance like no other, some serious shits playing for them and their unrelented inclusion into conversations about top clubs in the league no matter how shite they are at the time. That 2005 CL win can **** right off. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted July 28, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted July 28, 2017 22 minutes ago, BOF said: Liking a team and wanting them to win the league are 2 very different things to me. I don't mind Spurs, but if you're asking would I rather United throw another title on the pile, or Spurs break their 57 year duck then I'll go with United by a huge margin. I have to ask why is that? (Apologies if you've explained previously.) I can understand it if say Spurs or whoever were on 6 league titles and they'd be level with us. I can see the logic there and would agree. I didn't want Arsenal to win the FA cup last season as it meant Wenger breaking Ramsay's record. But if it was between a club like Man Utd who have won loads over the past 20+ years and a club who hasn't then I'd always pick the less decorated club. Simple reason is that the fans would appreciate it more. I've seen my Man Utd mates when they won the champions league and based on their reaction, it may as well have been the charity shield. I genuinely went more ballistic when we scored against Rotherham last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted July 28, 2017 Moderator Share Posted July 28, 2017 Just now, Shropshire Lad said: I have to ask why is that? (Apologies if you've explained previously.) I can understand it if say Spurs or whoever were on 6 league titles and they'd be level with us. I can see the logic there and would agree. I didn't want Arsenal to win the FA cup last season as it meant Wenger breaking Ramsay's record. But if it was between a club like Man Utd who have won loads over the past 20+ years and a club who hasn't then I'd always pick the less decorated club. Simple reason is that the fans would appreciate it more. I've seen my Man Utd mates when they won the champions league and based on their reaction, it may as well have been the charity shield. I genuinely went more ballistic when we scored against Rotherham last season. It's about changing their stripes as it were i.e. making the next big leap. At the moment from a historical standpoint Spurs are in a purple patch. They're up with the big boys for the first time in donkeys years and fair play to them. I'm enjoying it and they're doing it the right way for them. But it would not take a lot for them to go back to where they belong and be back battling Everton for best of the rest. They're in a position they're not used to and which in the footballing hierarchy is a false one. But if they were to win a league, we would risk them becoming a regular part of that elite and we would risk their current position becoming their real position. And thus we fall one team further away from regaining our own position when we get back up. Spurs are punching above their weight at the moment. I don't want that to become their weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted July 28, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted July 28, 2017 (edited) @BOF I see your point, and I think it's fair reasoning. Still would prefer Spurs to win it ahead of the other five . Edited July 28, 2017 by Shropshire Lad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 The reason I don't want Spurs to be successful is purely demographic. London has too many advantages. I know you have Liverpool and Manchester but look at other big cities like Birmingham, Sheffield, Leeds and Newcastle. These cities have great footballing traditions but are nowhere now. We'll never be able to compete with Spurs again, not in my life time and not in many peoples lifetimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 11 hours ago, BOF said: Liking a team and wanting them to win the league are 2 very different things to me. I don't mind Spurs, but if you're asking would I rather United throw another title on the pile, or Spurs break their 57 year duck then I'll go with United by a huge margin. last few seasons after Fergie has shown what United fans really are, just another Liverpool. I happily prefer Spurs to win the league than them *though hope glastonspur doesnt see this* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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