useless Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 When people say 'is someone peeling onions?' (because they don't want to admit they're sad). It's okay to cry, I cry every day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Quote Why is Greta Thunberg so triggering for certain men? How can a 16-year-old girl in plaits, dedicated to trying to save the planet, inspire such incandescent rage? Irish Times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 10 minutes ago, Xann said: Irish Times I was wondering why the media put these children on a platform? Why not a scientist or professor with 50 years experience and data instead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 25, 2019 Moderator Share Posted September 25, 2019 30 minutes ago, Genie said: I was wondering why the media put these children on a platform? Why not a scientist or professor with 50 years experience and data instead? no-one likes experts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyrusr Posted September 25, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted September 25, 2019 22 minutes ago, bickster said: no-one likes experts no one likes children either, apparently... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, cyrusr said: no one likes children either, apparently... I don't have anything against children, but like others have said, there's something very dislikeable about her and I am not sure what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyrusr Posted September 25, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted September 25, 2019 Just now, Genie said: I don't have anything against children, but like others have said, there's something very dislikeable about her and I am not sure what it is. Not aimed at you, it was in respect of the article that @Xann posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BOF Posted September 25, 2019 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted September 25, 2019 12 minutes ago, cyrusr said: no one likes children either, apparently... 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam-AVFC Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Genie said: I was wondering why the media put these children on a platform? Why not a scientist or professor with 50 years experience and data instead? The science is out there already though and people still choose to ignore it. Covering school protests adds a human element reminding people that it's their kids' future that will be affected. It's pretty easy to dispassionately read a scientific paper without giving any thought to the human element, whereas it's harder to ignore your child when they ask why you don't care about their (and their childrens') future. The whole thing is no doubt opportunistic, but I see no problem with that when the cause is good and the scientific consensus doesn't seem to have done a great job at waking people up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam-AVFC Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Side note - I think lots of kids are words removed, but don't really see it as my place to comment as an adult. Just because a particular child is in the public eye it doesn't add any more justification to slating them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 22 hours ago, Davkaus said: Maybe you could have fewer holidays that require long distance jets and occasionally have more local holidays. I took the boy to the Design Museum in London on Sunday , they had a section on single use plastic for a flight , it was quite staggering the waste involved , plastic water bottles , plastic milk cartons , plastic knife and forks , even single use headphones .... they had various designs on how to improve this .. a water trolley , disposable milk capsules , plates made from reusable materials , bring your own headphones , indeed even bring your own entertainment system and take the fixed ones out of planes ... thing is none of what they proposed was actually that radical , but I still don't see any airlines adopting it until consumers demand it from a work perspective we do a lot of testing that involves single use plastic plates , i use maybe close on 100,000 a year of them for my testing ... after years of trying , clients have finally consented to using sugar cane ones that are 100% renewable resource and compost back to the Earth... the annual cost increase is a few hundred £ , insignificant in the grand scheme of things , though tbf the objection was more around the appearance and quality of bio plates rather than money 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 25, 2019 Moderator Share Posted September 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: from a work perspective we do a lot of testing that involves single use plastic plates , i use maybe close on 100,000 a year of them for my testing ... after years of trying , clients have finally consented to using sugar cane ones that are 100% renewable resource and compost back to the Earth... the annual cost increase is a few hundred £ , insignificant in the grand scheme of things , though tbf the objection was more around the appearance and quality of bio plates rather than money Hippy! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam-AVFC Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 14 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: but I still don't see any airlines adopting it until consumers demand it Unfortunately I think that is always going to be the case. Even companies with really comprehensive CSR policies only do it as they know a growing number of young people are engaged with these issues so it could improve income. My dissertation was actually on the profitability of sustainability (particularly from a real estate perspective) looking at factors that were easy to quantify, as well as those that are more difficult. The reality is any corporation will be willing to reduce energy usage as it's a cost saving, whereas more wide-ranging green policies will be decided based on their target market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 37 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: indeed even bring your own entertainment system and take the fixed ones out of planes ... thing is none of what they proposed was actually that radical , but I still don't see any airlines adopting it until consumers demand it That is extremely radical! I demand they keep the entertainment system. Also, its not 1 use, its probably used for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 18 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: from a work perspective we do a lot of testing that involves single use plastic plates , i use maybe close on 100,000 a year of them for my testing ... after years of trying , clients have finally consented to using sugar cane ones that are 100% renewable resource and compost back to the Earth... the annual cost increase is a few hundred £ , insignificant in the grand scheme of things , though tbf the objection was more around the appearance and quality of bio plates rather than money One of the less obvious ways Eavis makes money at Glastonbury is that the traders have to use plates and cups supplied by the site. With it being such a high profile 'hippy' event a lot of effort goes into keeping the waste to a minimum, and as recyclable or biodegradeable as possible. They're constantly looking to improve, and I've seen some of the contenders. My favourite was a process that compressed leaves together to form the plates and cups. It gave the impression you were eating off a forest floor in Autumn Alas it didn't pass the strict hygeine criteria. The best reusable 'green' crocks I've seen were in a Berlin cafe. Looks like earthenware, but they're a natural resin of some sort. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 14 minutes ago, ender4 said: That is extremely radical! I demand they keep the entertainment system. Also, its not 1 use, its probably used for years. my bad , I think the entertainment system was more about weight and adding to the carbon footprint and not that it was single use 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 7 minutes ago, Xann said: One of the less obvious ways Eavis makes money at Glastonbury is that the traders have to use plates and cups supplied by the site. With it being such a high profile 'hippy' event a lot of effort goes into keeping the waste to a minimum, and as recyclable or biodegradeable as possible. They're constantly looking to improve, and I've seen some of the contenders. My favourite was a process that compressed leaves together to form the plates and cups. It gave the impression you were eating off a forest floor in Autumn Alas it didn't pass the strict hygeine criteria. The best reusable 'green' crocks I've seen were in a Berlin cafe. Looks like earthenware, but they're a natural resin of some sort. my favourite is in the fatal restaurant in Hungary where the soup is served in bread so you eat the bowl ..not good for multi use though 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 2 hours ago, tonyh29 said: but I still don't see any airlines adopting it until consumers demand it interesting post We're in danger of going a bit bollitics here, but I think you're absolutely right, airlines won't do it of their own volition. Unfortunately,m I don't think consumers will demand it on a wide scale, either. I think it's going to take tough action from governments around the world to enforce regulations for the good of all of us that individuals aren't necessarily going to agree with. We can't leave this to the whims of the general public, or we'll continue screwing ourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted September 25, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted September 25, 2019 1 hour ago, tonyh29 said: my favourite is in the fatal restaurant in Hungary Don't like the sound of that... 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 1 hour ago, tonyh29 said: my favourite is in the fatal restaurant in Hungary where the soup is served in bread so you eat the bowl ..not good for multi use though This happens on the festival circuit too. Yorkshire pud 'plates' A really non trendy, not frequented by white people (hot!), Sri Lankan cafe near home started serving up takeaway meals in banana leaves quite recently. The curry and rice/string hoppers all in the same parcel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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