Keyblade Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 25 minutes ago, villa4europe said: Well the good news is that the proposed law change in North Dakota which would have legalised running over protestors with your car didn't pass... before you scream common sense prevails it passed by 50 votes to 37 37 people voted that you should be able to hit people with your car Seriously, what's going on out there? I swear Americans are just taking the piss at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Tonight's film started with this ... Spookily the Leader is also called Donald (Talbot) Think the director of this film may have known something ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 7 hours ago, maqroll said: Looks like Flynn is gonna be the first casualty. Stephen Miller's ranting and raving yesterday may make him expendable as well. Sounds like a dreaded vote of confidence http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38964079 Quote White House: Trump 'evaluating' controversy on Michael Flynn President Donald Trump is "evaluating the situation" regarding his national security adviser's contact with a Russian envoy, the White House says. Michael Flynn came under scrutiny amid reports he spoke to the Russian ambassador to the US about sanctions before Donald Trump's inauguration. Vice-President Mike Pence publicly denied the allegations on behalf of the retired general. Mr Flynn has since told the White House that sanctions may have been discussed. Any discussion of sanctions could have violated laws against private citizens engaging in foreign policy. White House spokesman Sean Spicer said on Monday afternoon: "The president is evaluating the situation". "He is speaking to Vice President relative to the conversation the VP had with general Flynn and also speaking to various other people about what he considers he single most important subject there is - our national security. " Mr Flynn has apologised to Mr Pence over the reports that he misled administration officials about his conversations with Russian ambassador Sergei Kislyak. Mr Spicer's statement come soon after White House counsellor Kellyanne Conway said Mr Flynn had "the full confidence of the president". "It's a big week for General Flynn. He's the point of contact for many of these foreign visits," she told MSNBC. Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters on Monday that Mr Flynn and Mr Kislyak did not discuss lifting sanctions. Mr Flynn is known to have spoken with Mr Kislyak several times by phone in December. With the support of Vice-President Pence, Mr Flynn denied that he and Mr Kislyak had discussed US sanctions imposed over Russia's actions in Ukraine and alleged hacking of the US Democratic Party. But nine current and former officials later told the Washington Post the issue had been discussed. A spokesman for Mr Flynn subsequently backtracked, telling reporters the adviser now said he "couldn't be certain" he had not discussed the sanctions, prompting speculation that he may have misled the vice-president. Mr Pence and Mr Flynn reportedly spoke twice on Friday when he privately apologised to the vice-president, according to an administration official. Mr Trump has yet to publicly comment on the controversy, but was with Mr Flynn over the weekend at his club in Florida, Mar-a-Lago. Mr Flynn appeared in the front row at President Trump's news conference on Monday with Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. Mr Trump was not asked about Mr Flynn by the two reporters he called on, and evaded follow-up questions about the controversy as he left the room. Citing administration officials, the Associated Press reported that the president was troubled by the situation, but did not say whether he planned to ask Mr Flynn to step down. Mr Flynn was an ardent supporter of Mr Trump during the campaign, and he has become a close ally of both the president and the president's chief strategist, Steve Bannon. But questions have been raised about Mr Flynn's closeness with Russia. He attended a banquet last year held in honour of the Russian government, where he sat two seats away from Vladimir Putin. A top aide on Mr Flynn's team, Robin Townley, was this week denied security clearance by the CIA, preventing Mr Townley from taking up a post in Africa for which Mr Flynn had recommended him. Democratic House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi on Monday called for Mr Trump to fire Mr Flynn, tweeting that he "cannot be trusted to serve America's best interests and national security instead of Russia's". She joined at least two other top Democrats who have demanded that Mr Flynn be fired if the allegations are true. Mr Flynn's son has also attracted unwelcome attention - and reportedly a personal rebuke from Mr Trump. The son tweeted about the so-called Pizzagate fake news story, which alleged a pizzeria was the nexus of a paedophile ring involving Hillary Clinton and one of her aides, John Podesta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 (edited) 7 hours ago, maqroll said: Stephen Miller's ranting and raving yesterday may make him expendable as well. Unfortunately it doesn't look like it: Edited February 13, 2017 by snowychap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted February 14, 2017 Author Share Posted February 14, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, villa4europe said: Well the good news is that the proposed law change in North Dakota which would have legalised running over protestors with your car didn't pass... before you scream common sense prevails it passed by 50 votes to 37 37 people voted that you should be able to hit people with your car It was a bill that sought to legalize Indian killing, a direct action against the Standing Rock tribe. 37 sitting members of the American government want to commit genocide by legal decree. Edited February 14, 2017 by maqroll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted February 14, 2017 Author Share Posted February 14, 2017 What a fraudulent cadre of lunatics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 46 minutes ago, maqroll said: It was a bill that sought to legalize Indian killing, a direct action against the Standing Rock tribe. 37 sitting members of the American government want to continue commiting genocide by legal decree. ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 Flynn resigns. Lesson for the media: Trump will throw key people under the bus if they catch enough negative flack in the headlines. He'll likely come to regret that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted February 14, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted February 14, 2017 BBC Report on Flynn's resignation. Quote From inauguration to full-blown scandal punctuated by a high-level resignation in 24 days. That simply has to be some kind of record. Donald Trump never does anything small. If his administration is going to have a political crisis, why waste any time? From the day he was announced as Mr Trump's national security adviser, there were concerns about Michael Flynn's questionable contacts with Russia both before and after November's election. The ground crumbled beneath his feet only recently, however, after revelations that his conversation with a Russian ambassador included talk of US-imposed sanctions. The mortal blow came late on Monday, with reports that Obama-era government officials had warned the Trump White House about the details of these calls in January. If the Trump administration were told in January why did the they keep him around? It was bound to come out sooner or later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 Outstanding. The best people, simply the best people. From a Grauniad piece: Quote Although Trump may yet formalize Kellogg as his permanent adviser, rumors quickly began to spread on Monday night that another candidate was en route to the White House: retired general David Petraeus, the former CIA director who resigned in disgrace having admitted to giving classified information to his lover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 In the grand scheme of things, Flynn was an ideologue with a dangerous obsession with Iran. The world is, in some small degree, safer today because of his resignation. Trump is known as a hirer-and-firer, he's in his comfort zone here. People shouldn't mistake this with his administration being on the ropes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_c Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 We've seen how poor his administration is with security of documents, meetings, phones etc.. So if they do/have done anything illegal it's not going to be difficult for someone to pick up evidence of that. You don't even need to hack a phone, just pay to be a guest at a Trump resort and pack a tape recorder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 3 hours ago, TheAuthority said: BBC Report on Flynn's resignation. If the Trump administration were told in January why did the they keep him around? It was bound to come out sooner or later. Sally Yates, who warned the White House about Flynn's dealings with the Russians, was fired. Flynn was not. Also, it seems the thing that pushed him out was being found to have lied to Pence, where having lied to the media and the world at large was not seen as a problem. Both things give some insight into the moral stance of the people now running things. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 1 hour ago, jon_c said: We've seen how poor his administration is with security of documents, meetings, phones etc.. So if they do/have done anything illegal it's not going to be difficult for someone to pick up evidence of that. You don't even need to hack a phone, just pay to be a guest at a Trump resort and pack a tape recorder. "Just pay" is understating it a little. It's 200k to be a member of his exclusive club. It doubled since he took office, incidentally. It'd almost be like he's using the presidency to line his pockets, fortunately his kids are taking care of it, so he has no idea it's his club and everything is above board. I'm sure the FSB budget has stretched to a couple of memberships. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted February 14, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted February 14, 2017 1 hour ago, jon_c said: We've seen how poor his administration is with security of documents, meetings, phones etc.. So if they do/have done anything illegal it's not going to be difficult for someone to pick up evidence of that. You don't even need to hack a phone, just pay to be a guest at a Trump resort and pack a tape recorder. A TAPE recorder? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 (edited) There is no way that Trump didn't direct Flynn to call Russia and reassure them. Getting rid of Flynn does not end the Russia stories. Quote The Justice Department warned the Trump administration last month that Michael Flynn misled administration officials regarding his communications with the Russian ambassador to the United States and was potentially vulnerable to blackmail by the Russians, a person familiar with the matter told CNN. Flynn resigned his position as national security adviser shortly after the reports emerged Monday night. A White House official also confirmed the warning. The concern was raised after Flynn claimed he did not discuss with the Russian ambassador the sanctions being imposed by former President Barack Obama's administration in retaliation for Russia's interference in the election. Flynn was not yet in government. The message was delivered by then-Acting Attorney General Sally Yates. Other top intelligence officials, including James Clapper and John Brennan, were in agreement the White House should be alerted about the concerns. http://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/13/politics/michael-flynn-justice-department-warning/index.html?adkey=bn Head of the FBI, CIA and the acting AG and he did nothing. Trump was blatantly in on it. Edited February 14, 2017 by StefanAVFC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itdoesntmatterwhatthissay Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 (edited) 14 hours ago, Chindie said: They aren't afraid to give facts. There just isn't a thing to be gained from them reporting 'Trump does *new despicable thing* but don't be outraged because other President did *this*' that just gives Trump and his moronic support a false shield to hide behind. Pointing out hypocrisy isn't more important than doing the right thing now. And a media scared to criticise this man or his regime for the fear he might get worse, is the ticket to despotism. No, it's the opposite. Especially in the US when you control the Senate and your party will put 'next president' strategy over current policy. The vilification is the false shield and has been for decades. Did the media learn nothing from the Bush days? They aren't? Are you sure? Because I see light touch journalism wrapped up in partisan opinion. They are very critical of the individual and not necessarily the policy. eg - How long did it take for people to discuss the ethnic minority clause and tie it to a wider context of bad policy? Are they even doing it? Though thank god the media dealt with the Flynn story like a real story, but then he's not a personality so people were happy to be sold facts. The media pick out only the facts that people want to hear because anger sells. In the long term that does more damage than good, especially in nations with Presidents. Surely after fifteen years of misinformation by our own media which has led to some terrible joint policy decisions (Labour set the scene, Tories rubbed their hands with glee) we would have learnt about the dangers of single agenda campaigning? Eg - Bedroom tax, which was the tip of the benefits failure iceberg. Oh, and Brexit. I have attended two anti-travel ban rallies because I understand the importance of properly supporting refugees. Yet 15% of what was discussed was about the ban/refugee stories and 85% was about Trump as a personality and the need to deport May. When crowds of people cheer someone discussing 'Trump being taken out', or everyone chanting 'deport May' you quickly realise the value of education. You and I may feel informed but those who do not are the majority. Vilification is not reaching pro-Trump supporters and they are the group which will tip the balance, especially in the mid-term's which will see campaigning begin in less than 14 months. Edited February 14, 2017 by itdoesntmatterwhatthissay 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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StefanAVFC Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 Trump, his team and the GOP are a masterclass of projection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 40 minutes ago, NurembergVillan said: Has he been nicked yet? When is the 2016/2017 compilation movie coming out? I would pay to see it in theaters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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