villakram Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 This should be the end of McCarthy. I am not sure why anyone cares about him being dragged over the coals a little on the way out. It is more the pity that the Dems never had the stomach to do this with Nancy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKP90 Posted January 5, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted January 5, 2023 4 hours ago, magnkarl said: Haha - I just saw a clip of Matt Gaetz calling Trump asking him to vote McCarthy 'sad'! The rats are fleeing the Trump boat. What a vote, this is more entertaining than when Trump lost the election.. I dunno, that was quite entertaining. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 2 minutes ago, villakram said: This should be the end of McCarthy. I am not sure why anyone cares about him being dragged over the coals a little on the way out. It is more the pity that the Dems never had the stomach to do this with Nancy. Pelosi was great. One of the few US politicians I rate. Trump hated her, so that’s a big thumbs up from me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 4 hours ago, magnkarl said: Haha - I just saw a clip of Matt Gaetz calling Trump asking him to vote McCarthy 'sad'! The rats are fleeing the Trump boat. What a vote, this is more entertaining than when Trump lost the election.. "We are not a cult." "We debate like our 4dads intended." "We are independent Americans fighting for the people who elected us.... lobby money, swamp, insiders." Loads of ways to spin this in whichever manner is required. The next speaker position is somewhat of a poisoned chalice now. It'll be interesting to see who they eventually pick and what this means for repub party leadership more broadly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 1 minute ago, meregreen said: Pelosi was great. One of the few US politicians I rate. Trump hated her, so that’s a big thumbs up from me. Such partizan takes are a part of the problem. Pelosi was a very effective politician. She did implement changes that significantly undermined the democratic powers of the elected individual members of the chamber. I do not see that as a positive in such a society as the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKP90 Posted January 5, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted January 5, 2023 3 minutes ago, villakram said: "We are not a cult." "We debate like our 4dads intended." "We are independent Americans fighting for the people who elected us.... lobby money, swamp, insiders." Loads of ways to spin this in whichever manner is required. The next speaker position is somewhat of a poisoned chalice now. It'll be interesting to see who they eventually pick and what this means for repub party leadership more broadly. I've never understood how any of the parties can talk about 'draining the swamp' and then brazenly and without irony take donations from lobbyists. The Republicans in particular with their oil and NRA donors (I appreciate the NRA money has dropped off, but historically). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 1 hour ago, villakram said: Such partizan takes are a part of the problem. Pelosi was a very effective politician. She did implement changes that significantly undermined the democratic powers of the elected individual members of the chamber. I do not see that as a positive in such a society as the US. You have to admit that her husband is brilliant at stock trading though! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted January 5, 2023 Moderator Share Posted January 5, 2023 5 hours ago, HKP90 said: The Republicans in particular with their oil and NRA donors (I appreciate the NRA money has dropped off, but historically). The NRA donated heavily to BOTH parties most of the time 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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El Zen Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 1 minute ago, Chindie said: Oh, that is good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted January 6, 2023 Author Share Posted January 6, 2023 Session adjourned again. The GOP is a farce! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKP90 Posted January 6, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted January 6, 2023 2 hours ago, Chindie said: That's the winner right there. Brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 (edited) Having seen the results of the 11th (?) vote for speaker, I noticed that Trump received 1 vote. So that means that he's lost another election in a room half-full of Trump-fanatics and sycophants, this time by a vote margin of: Jeffries (dems) 212 votes McCarthy (gop) 200 votes Hern (gop) 7 votes Others 12 votes Trump (MAGA-loonie-toons party) 1 vote Let's summarise, the GOP has 222 votes, out of which Trump received 1. That means 221-1. This election is rigged! Boo. Edited January 6, 2023 by magnkarl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 7 hours ago, magnkarl said: Having seen the results of the 11th (?) vote for speaker, I noticed that Trump received 1 vote. So that means that he's lost another election in a room half-full of Trump-fanatics and sycophants, this time by a vote margin of: Jeffries (dems) 212 votes McCarthy (gop) 200 votes Hern (gop) 7 votes Others 12 votes Trump (MAGA-loonie-toons party) 1 vote Let's summarise, the GOP has 222 votes, out of which Trump received 1. That means 221-1. This election is rigged! Boo. Don’t worry he’s getting 217 fake electors….whoops…congresspeople votes to add to that 1 and he’ll have the required 218 to become speaker. Funny thing though, imagine if he did have real 218 votes, surely he wouldn’t take that well…going from President of the US, arguably the most powerful job in the world and then downgrading to getting Speaker of US House is a huge step down….surely his ego couldn’t deal with that? Worse still he would be third in line after Biden then Harris in succession…3rd best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 So McCarthy has become Speaker…although it seems the weakest Speaker in history with very little power after giving away everything to his extreme members, his head on the block with a one vote removal and the slimmest majority. Not much will get done legislative wise for the next two years, even less so than expected so just going to be infighting in gop and then show committee investigations….it’s going to be a total clown show in every aspect I’m going to get my popcorn ready for some entertaining stuff upcoming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted January 7, 2023 Moderator Share Posted January 7, 2023 So, government, the instrument of the people and representative power of Democracy, is paralysed and inert for a couple of years? That's handy for the corporate powers that run the nation for their own interests in its stead. I'm sure it's just a coincidence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: So, government, the instrument of the people and representative power of Democracy, is paralysed and inert for a couple of years? That's handy for the corporate powers that run the nation for their own interests in its stead. I'm sure it's just a coincidence. and the politicians who despite their government wage generally get to be multimillionaires if they get some “prominence” in some way… Edited January 7, 2023 by nick76 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 On 07/01/2023 at 10:11, OutByEaster? said: So, government, the instrument of the people and representative power of Democracy, is paralysed and inert for a couple of years? That's handy for the corporate powers that run the nation for their own interests in its stead. I'm sure it's just a coincidence. They passed the giveaway already in the lame duck, so the first 12 months are already done. Lots of playing to the gallery ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted January 9, 2023 Moderator Share Posted January 9, 2023 1 hour ago, villakram said: Lots of playing to the gallery ahead Yes. I wonder if the gallery has changed, though? It seems like the GOP has moved on from Trump. It seems like all these culture war things have fallen out of favour with a lot of people, judging by the mid-term results - Trump backed candidates mostly got trounced, fewer people believed the”steal” lie, wade-Rowe overturned was a handicap. Will people really be impressed by investigations into Hunter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 The bigger issue is the potential for US debt default if they can’t agree to raise the debt ceiling. That would impact us all In financial crisis 2.0. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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