Awol Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 1 hour ago, HanoiVillan said: Yes, he had no idea what their pasts were when he shot them dead in self defence. FTFY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Awol said: FTFY. Ok. But what’s the relevancy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 5 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: Ok. But what’s the relevancy? It’s not directly relevant, in the sense that Rosenbaum doing 10 years for sodomising five young boys wasn’t material to him attacking Rittenhouse (unless he intended to bum him afterwards, which we’ll never know). But it has struck me that the rioting mob were (are still) presented as racial justice protesters. Kyle killed two really awful people (in self-defence) who, as a random sample of the crowd, raise at least a quizzical eyebrow as to the presentation of events in Kenosha by the media. Does it not? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 9 hours ago, chrisp65 said: One of the very few times gun laws were tightened up, was when the Black Panther movement started using the law in the same way others were. Keeping it legal but making it obvious they could defend themselves with lethal force. In a ‘normal’ society it would be ridiculous to suggest that perhaps that exercise needs to be revisited to see if it could be brought up to date. Worth pointing out the remaining living "Killer" of Malcom X, now in his 80s was freed this week. FBI etc. involved in all sorts of shady things during that investigation trial. Who knows what they were doing in the lead up to the murder, his and all the other black leadership exterminated during this period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, villakram said: Worth pointing out the remaining living "Killer" of Malcom X, now in his 80s was freed this week. FBI etc. involved in all sorts of shady things during that investigation trial. Who knows what they were doing in the lead up to the murder, his and all the other black leadership exterminated during this period. Was it freed or already free and now exonerated? I caught a bit of it on the news but didn’t get around to following it up. Fascinating few years of U.S. history around that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 2 hours ago, Awol said: FTFY. The 2nd and 3rd men he shot were under the impression that he was an active shooter, what with him just having shot a man and all. They were also acting in defence in any logical meaning of the phrase, in defence of others within the immediate vicinity of a young man with a big gun who had just used it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 1 hour ago, HanoiVillan said: The 2nd and 3rd men he shot were under the impression that he was an active shooter, what with him just having shot a man and all. They were also acting in defence in any logical meaning of the phrase, in defence of others within the immediate vicinity of a young man with a big gun who had just used it. So you didn’t watch the trial either. Cool. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 4 hours ago, Awol said: Kyle killed two really awful people (in self-defence) who, as a random sample of the crowd, raise at least a quizzical eyebrow as to the presentation of events in Kenosha by the media. Does it not? Nope, completely irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 On 20/11/2021 at 17:09, chrisp65 said: Was it freed or already free and now exonerated? I caught a bit of it on the news but didn’t get around to following it up. Fascinating few years of U.S. history around that time. Yup, exonerated. Good spot. Fascinating feels like a good description, yet one that totally underwhelms on the actual happenings, with Hoover doing all sorts at FBI, and the red scare implanted in the nations mind. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted November 22, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted November 22, 2021 1 hour ago, villakram said: Yup, exonerated. Good spot. Fascinating feels like a good description, yet one that totally underwhelms on the actual happenings, with Hoover doing all sorts at FBI, and the red scare implanted in the nations mind. It's almost as if authoritarian regimes use their domestic law enforcement departments to manipulate their populations and the do that with a lot of psyops. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancvillan Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 On 20/11/2021 at 05:15, tonyh29 said: I just saw it on the BBC news … pre the shooting he turned up armed with an automatic rifle and told a reporter , if there is trouble I’m heading towards it to help out , that’s why I brought my rifle he then happened to find trouble and kill 2 people In any other country in the world that’s pre -meditated murder , in America he walks ? absolutely bat shit crazy , It wasn't an automatic rifle. No offence but if there's facts wrong in the first sentence of reporting I'd question the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chrisp65 Posted November 22, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 22, 2021 Yeah, get a grip guys, it was a 17 year old with a semi automatic rifle. People making it out to be far worse than it really was, like he was some sort of vigilante nut job. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 On 20/11/2021 at 14:12, Awol said: Then I’m not surprised that you are surprised. Media coverage constructed a completely false narrative, as did the prosecution. It looked highly likely at one point that the judge would rule it a mistrial with prejudice, based on the malfeasance of the prosecution. Best thing I’ve watched on screen for years, really gripping. when is it on netflix? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 5 hours ago, Vancvillan said: It wasn't an automatic rifle. No offence but if there's facts wrong in the first sentence of reporting I'd question the rest. automatic rifle was me rather than the BBC , it sorta went rat-a-tat ,rat-a-tat ,rat-a-tat and left people dead on the ground , not being US high school student I'm not all that familiar with guns so i just assumed it was an automatic rather than a semi- automatic rifle . 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 On 20/11/2021 at 23:08, HanoiVillan said: The 2nd and 3rd men he shot were under the impression that he was an active shooter, what with him just having shot a man and all. They were also acting in defence in any logical meaning of the phrase, in defence of others within the immediate vicinity of a young man with a big gun who had just used it. Even if this were true, that's not how self-defence works. If you commit a lawful act of self-defence you cannot then be considered the aggressor. That the 2nd and 3rd men may not have known this is not relevant to the case against Kyle Rittenhouse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 17 minutes ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: Even if this were true, that's not how self-defence works. If you commit a lawful act of self-defence you cannot then be considered the aggressor. That the 2nd and 3rd men may not have known this is not relevant to the case against Kyle Rittenhouse. The issue here is that what is decided in a court is not the only way to perceive a situation. Nobody is disagreeing that Rittenhouse has been found in court to have acted in self-defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 6 hours ago, villa4europe said: when is it on netflix? All on YouTube for posterity. Looks like the guy who attacked the children’s marching band with an SUV in Waukesha Wisconsin (about 50 miles from Kenosha) last night was a black nationalist BLM supporter called Darrell Brooks. Just out of jail (two days) and another convicted pedo, incidentally. 4 confirmed dead and 40 injured. I don’t think self-defence will fly for this one. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 24 minutes ago, Awol said: All on YouTube for posterity. Looks like the guy who attacked the children’s marching band with an SUV in Waukesha Wisconsin (about 50 miles from Kenosha) last night was a black nationalist BLM supporter called Darrell Brooks. Just out of jail (two days) and another convicted pedo, incidentally. 4 confirmed dead and 40 injured. I don’t think self-defence will fly for this one. The sentiment of the post seems to be correct, but not sure the highlighted bit is true at all. I can see reference to consensual sex with a minor, but nothing about paedophilia. Not sure you should be stating that on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 7 minutes ago, bobzy said: The sentiment of the post seems to be correct, but not sure the highlighted bit is true at all. I can see reference to consensual sex with a minor, but nothing about paedophilia. Not sure you should be stating that on here. Consensual sex with a minor, a.k.a. statutory rape. Nonce a young ‘un, get called a pedo. He trafficked the same girl to Nevada and pimped her out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 5 minutes ago, Awol said: Consensual sex with a minor, a.k.a. statutory rape. Nonce a young ‘un, get called a pedo. He trafficked the same girl to Nevada and pimped her out. Christ not another trial you watched. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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