KSV Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Daily Mail reporting Hutton and Warnock have agreed to moves. Few days to bring someone in. with Dunne back now.. a DM MUST be brought in.. i have no idea who as all the good ones are gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Can't see us signing anyone unless Bent goes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstonMartin82 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 I am pretty sure that if Randy Lerner sat down and read all these posts - he would be deeply saddened and aggrivated. And if he then called up 10 of those posters and spent a day showing how things works as an owner for Aston Villa, all of those people would have a totally different view on things. He has made a few bad calls like everyone else in the game has done, and the appointment of Alex McLeish I will never know the whole story behind, but on the whole the thing about owning a football club is spending a lot of money. You have to appoint the right people in the administration, the people that get zero attention and we don't hear anything about, as well as the manager who appoints his own staff. Getting around these decisions are very hard, extremely hard, but the appointment of Paul Lambert was accepted by 99% of everyone on here. The ones who said no at the time were either just opposing or without a better candidate at hand. Sure there were Roberto Martinez, Ole Gunnar Solskjær and a few other of the same calibre, but Lambert was the man. Regarding Alex McLeish, and I am not one to believe in silly theories about aliens and NASA hidings of information, the only explanation was to get a season where we performed so close to oblivion that our expectations just plummited and hence made the job easier for the next guy. Our team was basically too good to go down and we didn't, creating leeway for Lambert when he came in. Of course, this was not the case but it is the only viable theory I have!! The expectations for Lambert were too high though, and even though we started disasterously and just kept on doing worse, people were sticking by him even though most of the harm was done by him. I have explained this before; he was cocky and arrogant when he came in, we liked it because that is how every good manager acts, but without results you are immediately an eccentric dud everyone wants to get rid of. Promising certain playing patterns, believing you are so good at developing talents into superstars that every signing can be at 500K and 10K wages - in fact just playing real-life FM with the club we all love. Now I am not saying Lerner is the perfect owner. He is not, basically because he does not spend tons of money and because he is shy of attention which leads to a lot of idiots spitting out their venom. I don't want an owner who talks to the media all the time like the ones at West Ham or interfers with business like Abramovich. In terms of numbers he has spent a lot of dollars, but results have gone against us and he has refrained from doing it all over. I understand that perfectly well. Doing well and spending little like Everton is not for everyone, just like everyone can't have the scouting network of Arsenal. Since Doug Ellis left the building (well, the main office) a lot of clubs have come along with new owners. A lot of clubs spend money and now we have Spurs, Newcastle, Liverpool, Stoke, Sunderland, Fulham (at least wages) can spend money as well as Man Utd, Man City, Arsenal and Chelsea. The competition is much harder than what it was in 2006 and we have no godgiven right to be top 8 anymore, just as much as we cannot expect to buy player for 20M net every window. Would I rather have Everton's owner? Hell no. I hate it when fans on here, everyone from 14 to 50 year olds without any sort of relevant academic degree, start to talk about wages and solutions - basically acting like internet accountants. And when ten people agree on something it is suddenly gospel and Lerner is the bad guy. Most of us, and I certainly include myself, don't know anything about what is going on at Villa behind the scenes. Lerner is not the best owner, but there are 20 people "owning" clubs in this league (including multiple owners of course) and ours is certainly not the worst. Would we rather have that guy from Newcastle? Two years ago their fans were hunting him down and forcing him to sell and he would have if he found the right buyer. Now they are doing better overall, it just goes to show how quickly things change with some results. They are doing worse in the league again this year, but that has got more to do with management and unluck. They are buying players and guess most of their fans are content. What about the guys at Blackburn? The reaction on here signals we have owners compared to them, people who obviously don't know what they are doing. A lot of shit has gone against us the last couple of seasons, including Man City arriving and buying our best players two seasons in a row. They took our slot in the table and beyond, took our best players and made sure Champions League would be impossible for a team like us, especially as we are not from London and can't get our hands on players Tottenham could get on the same wages. Top 4 became a nightmare, and only a year before that it was a reachable dream. It pans down to the manager. A great manager, especially one that inherits a mediocre team, with a few rough diamonds like Ireland and N'Zogbia, Darren Bent, Shay Given, Richard Dunne etc, and also gets 20M to spend would do MUCH better than Lambert has done. I have seen so many ridiculous explanations of why Lambert is still great and that our team is THAT awful. Yes it is pretty bad evidently, but a good manager can work with it and grind out results. A great manager makes Ireland and N'Zogbia return to former levels and he sure doesn't bench Darren Bent for Jordan Bowery. Excuses have come from right, left and centre - pretty much saying every one of our players are awful (why were they not last year when McLeish was here?) - but a manager of a certain level makes things work anyway. Suddenly Darren Bent is at the same level as Francis Jeffers and he doesn't fit into the team. Fit into what exactly? I sure as hell cannot see any other player fit that well into our system, as we are letting in a lot of goals and scoring very few. A lot is wrong with this club at the moment, and we don't know what will happen in a few years. But to blame everything solely on Randy Lerner is ignorant in my mind, because he sure is above many of the other prospects and there sure is a lot of idiots running football clubs in England. If he finds a new potential owner to give us a lot of cash every window then fine, but again, it is not a godgiven right except for a few selected others. The play on the pitch is in the hands of Lambert, and what he has grinded out with this material is under the bare minimum thus far. Hindsight is a bitch, because we can talk about it and say I told you so, but Lerner has to make one decision and stick with it until results are in a year later. People are mad because we aren't spending 20M every time, but look at the others clubs and show me who is doing it. We are 5th or 6th in net expenditure over the last 5-6 years I think, but our managers have performed badly. Now, is Lerner the first owner to hire crap managers? For every successful story like David Moyes, there are 40 others like Owen Coyle, the problem is that a gazillion people on the internet believe the former is the thing to expect every single time a club hires a manager. Our (big) problem is not Randy Lerner, I don't think the harrassment of him is warranted for one second, because for some reason he is taking the fall for our manager who is doing a very bad job this season at Aston Villa Football Club. In two years things could have changed for the better, we could suddenly find ourselves in top 10, spending some cash and doing OK - I guess chances are high Randy Lerner will still be here and Paul Lambert not. I read the first paragraph. I don't need to read anymore. Sometimes it is easier to see things from the outside looking in than from the inside looking out. No one, and I mean no one, can look at Aston Villa at the moment and argue that there is a club that knows what it is doing and where the end game is. We have bumbled from one major decision that has backfired to another... and in each time doing so putting the club back a further 2 years in trying to move forward. Those decisions are giving MON too much of a free reign... hiring Houllier... hiring McLeish... and if he gets rid of Lambert anytime soon then we'll be back to where we were under Houllier only with a much worse team. Lerner is clearly out of his depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Whatever Randys intentions were or are it is clear that he is incompetent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 If we dont sign Dale Stephens by thursday I think anybody that mentions twitter and villa rumours together should be flogged Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
switters Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 It pans down to the manager. A great manager, especially one that inherits a mediocre team, with a few rough diamonds like Ireland and N'Zogbia, Darren Bent, Shay Given, Richard Dunne etc, and also gets 20M to spend would do MUCH better than Lambert has done. I have seen so many ridiculous explanations of why Lambert is still great and that our team is THAT awful. Yes it is pretty bad evidently, but a good manager can work with it and grind out results. A great manager makes Ireland and N'Zogbia return to former levels and he sure doesn't bench Darren Bent for Jordan Bowery. Excuses have come from right, left and centre - pretty much saying every one of our players are awful (why were they not last year when McLeish was here?) - but a manager of a certain level makes things work anyway. Suddenly Darren Bent is at the same level as Francis Jeffers and he doesn't fit into the team. Fit into what exactly? I sure as hell cannot see any other player fit that well into our system, as we are letting in a lot of goals and scoring very few. Our players were awful last year. We were all-but relegated and barely put in a good performance all season. It's just as absurd to pin all the blame for this season's woes on the pitch on Lambert as it is to pin it all on Lerner. It's a whole combination of factors. Lambert has certainly made mistakes but he's also inherited a bad situation. And no doubt you'll see this as excuse-making, but how many of those "rough diamonds" have been fit all season? N'Zogbia & Bent have both had fair spells of injury, Dunne hasn't been available at all. Given being benched is a decision that I'd say has been justified as we look worse when he plays than when Guzan does. And when has Bent ever been benched for Bowery? I think there were only one or two games when Bent wasn't on the bench & was thought to be fit (though we don't even know that for sure). Otherwise he's been deservedly benched for Benteke and Bowery has had no more than a few 10 min cameos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villastine Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 @Papillon. I read your pretty long post out of courtesy. I recognise the financial commitment RL has given this club and hold him in high regard for it. But this was not his first sports team to own so I don't think the fans venting on line will hurt his feelings. The facts are we are slipping towards relegation and badly need a few players if we are to have a fighting chance of arresting our decline. If RL refuses at this point to invest again, he is negligent. To allow his club and investment sink now cannot make any sense. He needs to back his manager or sack him now and back a new one immediately. End of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagicMushroom Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Whatever Randys intentions were or are it is clear that he is incompetent. Somewhere along the lines of using us as a tax dodge which has backfired big time i imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciggiesnbeer Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 I dont really blame the board or Mcleish for Given & Nzogbia. I certainly was delighted when they signed. They seemed like just the kind of quality players we needed. I would argue Given has performed a little below expectations but not that much, Nozogbia sadly has never really forced his way into a starting place. His constant being subbed can be helping much, I am sure it bugs him as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quizme Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 I blame the fitness coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 I blame the fitness coach. I blame myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PussEKatt Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 What Lerner did with the Cleveland Browns is exactly what he is doing with Aston Villa.The Browns were a go nowhere do nothing team and it did'nt bother him in the least because all he wants is to be a part of that select band of men that can boast that they owne a sports club. We are the only club in the PL that has to cut costs. We are the only club in the PL that consistantly buy players from a lower division. We are the only club in the Pl that do things like, putting Bowery on as a sub while Bent is not even in the squad. The bottom line is that as long as we stay a PL or championship club, Lerner is happy cause he can still say "I owne a sports team" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quizme Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 I blame myself. I blame the police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolteEndRob Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 What Lerner did with the Cleveland Browns is exactly what he is doing with Aston Villa.The Browns were a go nowhere do nothing team and it did'nt bother him in the least because all he wants is to be a part of that select band of men that can boast that they owne a sports club. We are the only club in the PL that has to cut costs. We are the only club in the PL that consistantly buy players from a lower division. We are the only club in the Pl that do things like, putting Bowery on as a sub while Bent is not even in the squad. The bottom line is that as long as we stay a PL or championship club, Lerner is happy cause he can still say "I owne a sports team" There's a BIG difference though. The Cleveland Browns couldn't get relegated... WE CAN!!! Cleveland finish bottom of their little group nearly every year but it's kind of a case of "oh well, better luck next season" Or to quote Lambert "we go again" "we'll be fine". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PussEKatt Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 (edited) There's a BIG difference though. The Cleveland Browns couldn't get relegated... WE CAN!!! Cleveland finish bottom of their little group nearly every year but it's kind of a case of "oh well, better luck next season" Or to quote Lambert "we go again" "we'll be fine". I know the NFL dont have relegation........BUT does Lerner know that. Thats my point. Edited January 28, 2013 by PussEKatt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolteEndRob Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Well, I've got aunts, uncles and cousins in Ohio. Some of them are Cleveland Browns fans and they hated Lerner. They liked his dad though, just not Randy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PussEKatt Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 And why did they hate Lerner ? Cause all he wants to do is to be able to say " I am one of the select group of people that can afford to owne a sports club " He is not interested in doing anything with his club, just owning it is enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted January 28, 2013 Moderator Share Posted January 28, 2013 They liked his dad though, just not Randy! I'm not sure they should have held that against an old man, age catches up with everyone eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolteEndRob Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 I'm not sure they should have held that against an old man, age catches up with everyone eventually. Ha ha. I knew it sounded a bit dodgy after I typed it but I couldn't be arsed to change it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 REALLY big week for Villa this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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