Popular Post markavfc40 Posted July 1, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted July 1, 2016 30 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: Attitude isn't going to make a 37 year old who's been seriously ill and not played for two years a good enough athlete to play Championship level football. I like him, he's been good for the club and he's got great character and attitude - he should be looking for a job in management or coaching. He actually hasn’t played for over 4 years. Despite that I actually don’t think it is beyond the realms that he will be fit enough to play Championship football. I don’t think Stan is deluded enough to come back in for pre season if he didn’t think he was fit enough to keep up with those around him. I am sure he has been working his bollocks off and will have been assessed already as to whether his fitness is at a level to give him a chance of playing at a high level again. The Championship is a tough league no doubt about that but it does contain a lot of average players/players that have spent all their careers in the lower leagues. Stan was a very clever player who like others have said never relied on pace but relied heavily on being able to read the game and letting the ball do the work. Maybe it is heart ruling my head stuff but given how far he has already come I would not be surprised if Stan did enough in pre season and proved himself worthy of a contract. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Willard Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 I understand Stans been through a lot. I find it frustrating that people want Barry back who's the slowest player in the world but say Stans done. I think Stan might do the trick in the Championship for 60 minutes. Or steady the ship in the last 30 minutes as a sub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 Go Stan F**k off Gaby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbop Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 I imagine a lot of you have seen Titanic Football Moments on Facebook. Can you just imagine 1) him coming on, the applause with that music added, 2) scoring a goal. I think I'd be in tears anyway, but it would be so wonderful. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Straggler Posted July 1, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted July 1, 2016 If Petrov manages to get a squad place I'm going to buy a shirt for the first times since LDV were our sponsor and get his name on it. I'm not misty eyed about the player he was. For the longest time I didn't think he was up to the job in our midfield, but as the club disintegrated around him, he grew as a presence. In his last full season I voted for him as our player of the season (Ireland won if memory serves me which still sticks in my throat). It is for this attitude that I want him back. Things got worse for the club and he got better and took on more responsibility. His own world fell apart and he fought back to health. He looked 10 years older in 2 years and now looks bright as a button again. He's an inspiration to me as a chubby 40 year old to get the gym kit back out again. If he can get me moving after 2 years of pretty sedentary lifestyle imagine working with him day in day out. The most important thing I want though is for him to be there on merit. I really don't want to see him out of his depth and struggling on the pitch based on sympathy. I'm sure that is what he wants too and I've not wanted anything so much in football for a very long time. Whatever the result of his training with the first team again, good luck Stan, you've earned it. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 If he manages to get a squad place, our other midfielders, and even the youth midfielders should be absolutely **** ashamed. A 37 year old who's not played in 4 years should be nowhere **** near a professional club. Good luck to him, but it **** terrifies me if he's considered decent enough for the squad. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bobzy Posted July 1, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted July 1, 2016 54 minutes ago, Davkaus said: If he manages to get a squad place, our other midfielders, and even the youth midfielders should be absolutely **** ashamed. A 37 year old who's not played in 4 years should be nowhere **** near a professional club. Good luck to him, but it **** terrifies me if he's considered decent enough for the squad. Surely if he's considered to be decent enough for the squad, he's shown that he is capable of performing well still. Do you feel the same about players that have had long term injuries? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 A couple of years ago I would have said there was no chance of Stan coming back. But then if Wales can get to Euro semi final and England fail miserably in the second round- no scrap the second comment, than who knows. I think we are all rooting for him to get a contract gained on merit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 Can you imagine if he came on for the last 5mins at 0-0. The harsh reality hits home and he really isnt up to it. But we get a penalty in the 89th min, so Stan takes it and scores the winner. What a way to go. P.S. Next match Gaby starts and we lose 2-0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 15 hours ago, Davkaus said: If he manages to get a squad place, our other midfielders, and even the youth midfielders should be absolutely **** ashamed. A 37 year old who's not played in 4 years should be nowhere **** near a professional club. Good luck to him, but it **** terrifies me if he's considered decent enough for the squad. 14 hours ago, bobzy said: Surely if he's considered to be decent enough for the squad, he's shown that he is capable of performing well still. Do you feel the same about players that have had long term injuries? Exactly what Bobzy said, people who are moaning about this are acting like if he does get a game, it will be for shits and giggles or sentiment. NOTHING negative about this, it is literally people just finding something to moan about as usual. If he doesn't reach the levels he won't play, and either way as mentioned a billion times it's a great boost for the morale and the club. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted July 2, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted July 2, 2016 Im not sure how much game time he will get but ill be shocked if we dont offer him the short term deal, if only to act as a totem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ingram85 Posted July 2, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted July 2, 2016 3-0 up with 5-10 minutes to go, bring him on for the incredible moment. Id pay to see that. Is that not worth trying for? I don't think anyone is expecting him to play 90 minutes for 46 games are they? Some miserable twunts on here. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dont_do_it_doug. Posted July 2, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted July 2, 2016 17 hours ago, Davkaus said: If he manages to get a squad place, our other midfielders, and even the youth midfielders should be absolutely **** ashamed. A 37 year old who's not played in 4 years should be nowhere **** near a professional club. Good luck to him, but it **** terrifies me if he's considered decent enough for the squad. That's such a linear point of view. If he's good enough he's good enough and his age, injury lay off, even the quality of those around him becomes irrelevant. If, for example, he's a better option off the bench than a 19 year old academy kid and that helps us win a few points, will you still feel **** terrified? If we go on to win the division with Petrov making a dozen appearances, should our lads still be **** ashamed? Tony and RDM have set the target, they want to win the division. If Petrov is able to demonstrate over the next few weeks that he's capable of playing his part in that, that he's worth a place in the squad over somebody else, then he will have earned that place. It really is as simple as that. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 5 minutes ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: That's such a linear point of view. If he's good enough he's good enough and his age, injury lay off, even the quality of those around him becomes irrelevant. If, for example, he's a better option off the bench than a 19 year old academy kid and that helps us win a few points, will you still feel **** terrified? If we go on to win the division with Petrov making a dozen appearances, should our lads still be **** ashamed? Tony and RDM have set the target, they want to win the division. If Petrov is able to demonstrate over the next few weeks that he's capable of playing his part in that, that he's worth a place in the squad over somebody else, then he will have earned that place. It really is as simple as that. And "if" being the operative word......but hey! Lets wait and see, we could all be pleasantly surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 6 minutes ago, TRO said: And "if" being the operative word......but hey! Lets wait and see, we could all be pleasantly surprised. Of course "if" is the operative word. The entire game of football is built around if's. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 (edited) 47 minutes ago, TRO said: And "if" being the operative word......but hey! Lets wait and see, we could all be pleasantly surprised. I think Stan and RDM will know there are a lot of if's in him being able to play at a high level again. That is why he has simply been allowed to train with the first team squad at the moment and hasn't just been given a contract. In fact I doubt giving him a contract has even been considered yet. It will be one step at a time. He keeps up in training then he will get given game time in friendlies, he does well in pre season over all then a short term contract will be considered. Despite what we think of them he is not going to be training alongside a bunch of unfit mugs. He is going to have to be judged on how he does alongside players ten years younger than him. He gets a contract he will have bloody well earned it and any worries we have about him not being capable of contributing next season should then be put to bed. That is some way off though as for now he is simply being allowed to train with the first team and we are all perhaps getting ahead of ourselves. I can't help but wish him all the luck in the world though and nothing this pre season would give me greater joy than to see that Stan had earned a contract and a squad number. Edited July 2, 2016 by markavfc40 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBM Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 some of you seem to be under the impression that if he gets fit and is given a contract that he will be playing week in week out like he did before he retired... which is what you are clearly fearing theres no way that would/could happen, at most, itll be a couple of sub appearances to the end of game, or in a starting 11 were he will benched at half time, can any of us really see a full game from a retired player thats just overcome a severe illness and is far from match fit? just enjoy it for what it could be a 'jesus second coming' kinda thing. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LockStockVilla Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 With all the mess we have seen over the past few seasons around players with very questionable and unhealthy attitudes in the changing room, having Stan around can only be a good thing and I imagine RDM might notice this as well. The other players all seem to hold Stan in the highest regards and I definitely think the younger guys, such as Grealish, need a professional figure like Stan around them at this stage in their career. At the end of the day, it may very well turn out he can't earn a spot in the squad, but at the very least, I imagine the club will offer him some sort of coaching role, that is, if Stan fancies it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlwaysAVFC Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 (edited) 46 minutes ago, AndyBM said: some of you seem to be under the impression that if he gets fit and is given a contract that he will be playing week in week out like he did before he retired... which is what you are clearly fearing theres no way that would/could happen, at most, itll be a couple of sub appearances to the end of game, or in a starting 11 were he will benched at half time, can any of us really see a full game from a retired player thats just overcome a severe illness and is far from match fit? just enjoy it for what it could be a 'jesus second coming' kinda thing. :-) While I am in support of his come back and hope he makes it. I also would like to think if he is to make it, it's with the intention of more than what you said. Not to the extent of playing regular 90 mins or week in week out but you simply can't afford to have a player starting a game, expecting to only last the first half and likewise while in theory it is good, you can't have someone on the bench who is there just for a cool head in the dying moments of the game, it's a waste. At the very least having him around is going to be a great inspiration. I hope he makes it but I also hope there is some middle ground between playing every week and the role you've suggested. It's not the end of the world if he gets a contract but doesn't end up playing much, sometimes things don't quite work out and he will still bring something to the club. Edited July 2, 2016 by AlwaysAVFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 On 01/07/2016 at 10:27, Lord Willard said: I understand Stans been through a lot. I find it frustrating that people want Barry back who's the slowest player in the world but say Stans done. Its also that frustrating that people can't see the difference in a guy that was voted Everton's player of the season, and 37yr old guy that has been seriously ill, and has not played for 4yrs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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