Zatman Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Premier League quality players don't need League One experience I don't even know where to start with this one, sorry. Jesus. I have never seen Luke Shaw, Raheem Sterling, Jack Wilshere, Daniel Sturridge etc playing in League One. David Beckham, Frank Lampard,Ian Wright, Teddy Sheringham have all had careers after plying trade lower down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRS-T Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Premier League quality players don't need League One experience I don't even know where to start with this one, sorry. Jesus. I have never seen Luke Shaw, Raheem Sterling, Jack Wilshere, Daniel Sturridge etc playing in League One. So you're saying that Samir Carruthers is as good as them? No, just that it's not essential to have lower-league experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momo Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Premier League quality players don't need League One experience I don't even know where to start with this one, sorry. Jesus. I have never seen Luke Shaw, Raheem Sterling, Jack Wilshere, Daniel Sturridge etc playing in League One. So you're saying that Samir Carruthers is as good as them? No, just that it's not essential to have lower-league experience. So what is essential to a players development? Playing Nextgen? Watching the first team on TV? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob182 Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Famous loans to teams not in Premier League Ross Barkley - Sheffield Wednesday, Leeds Utd. Jay Rodriguez - Burnley, Stirling Albion, Barnsley Gary Cahill - Burnley, Sheffield Utd etc etc etc.. Couldn't someone just as easily make a list of 'famous' players who haven't had a loan outside the premiership? It proves nothing. They could, but what would it prove? That not all Premier League players needed to have experience in the lower leagues? No-one is debating that point. The point being debated is, is it, or can it be, beneficial to send players to lower leagues instead of dropping them into the first team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shillzz Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 You bastards have missed the most obvious one. *Googles Agbonlahor Watford* *Fails* *Googles Agbonlahor Sheffield Wednesday* *Fails Again* *Facebook* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Famous loans to teams not in Premier League Ross Barkley - Sheffield Wednesday, Leeds Utd. Jay Rodriguez - Burnley, Stirling Albion, Barnsley Gary Cahill - Burnley, Sheffield Utd etc etc etc.. Couldn't someone just as easily make a list of 'famous' players who haven't had a loan outside the premiership? It proves nothing. They could, but what would it prove? That not all Premier League players needed to have experience in the lower leagues? No-one is debating that point. The point being debated is, is it, or can it be, beneficial to send players to lower leagues instead of dropping them into the first team? Yeah hence why I said it would prove nothing.... There are cases for both arguments, as I said. And your wrong it is definitely being debated whether it's needed not just beneficial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 subbed off after 13 minutes tonight by the looks of things :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danwichmann Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Hopefully nothing serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSV Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 subbed off after 13 minutes tonight by the looks of things :/ maybe he was just playing really poorly................. In all seriousness is there an update on his injury? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay.P.A Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 If you guys have a few minutes, here's a piece I wrote which features Samir Carruthers, asking the question will Lambert ever play our academy players? http://avillafan.com/site/11331/will-lambert-ever-play-our-academy-players/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samjp26 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 If you guys have a few minutes, here's a piece I wrote which features Samir Carruthers, asking the question will Lambert ever play our academy players?http://avillafan.com/site/11331/will-lambert-ever-play-our-academy-players/ He already has done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Isn't this blog advertising just spam? I get enough of this rubbish on newsnow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRS-T Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 If you guys have a few minutes, here's a piece I wrote which features Samir Carruthers, asking the question will Lambert ever play our academy players?http://avillafan.com/site/11331/will-lambert-ever-play-our-academy-players/ He already has done Who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MessiWillSignForVilla Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 (edited) Baker and Weimann. Both may have been given there debuts under different managers, but they hardly featured during those seasons, Baker only played 8 times and Weimann 14 under McLeish and not many of those appearances were starts, last season they got 26 and 30 respectively, with both starting 25. You could argue for both Clark and Bannan too, who both started a considerable more amount of games than the seasons beforehand. Edited February 19, 2014 by MessiWillSignForVilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samjp26 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Yeah the above names but I was thinking more of Callum Robinson last season and also several players who he brought into our preseason squad this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Baker and Weimann. Both may have been given there debuts under different managers, but they hardly featured during those seasons, Baker only played 8 times and Weimann 14 under McLeish and not many of those appearances were starts, last season they got 26 and 30 respectively, with both starting 25. You could argue for both Clark and Bannan too, who both started a considerable more amount of games than the seasons beforehand. I wouldn't class lambert as bringing those players into the team. Baker had played under Houllier and McLeish but got suspended and injured so didn't get more appearances. 14 games for Weimann is a decent amount in his breakthrough season. Clark and Bannan (more so Clark, who lets not forget is has the scond highest villa appearances behind gabby) had had ample opportunities within the first team prior to Lambert. Hell Carruthers himself even got a couple of run outs for mcLeish. So far Lambert has only given Williams and Burke game time, and that has only been in minuscule amounts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Isn't this blog advertising just spam? I get enough of this rubbish on newsnow. Not really. It's a well written piece, relevant to the discussion and no one is forcing you to click on it and read it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MessiWillSignForVilla Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Baker and Weimann. Both may have been given there debuts under different managers, but they hardly featured during those seasons, Baker only played 8 times and Weimann 14 under McLeish and not many of those appearances were starts, last season they got 26 and 30 respectively, with both starting 25. You could argue for both Clark and Bannan too, who both started a considerable more amount of games than the seasons beforehand. I wouldn't class lambert as bringing those players into the team. Baker had played under Houllier and McLeish but got suspended and injured so didn't get more appearances. 14 games for Weimann is a decent amount in his breakthrough season. Clark and Bannan (more so Clark, who lets not forget is has the scond highest villa appearances behind gabby) had had ample opportunities within the first team prior to Lambert. Hell Carruthers himself even got a couple of run outs for mcLeish. So far Lambert has only given Williams and Burke game time, and that has only been in minuscule amounts. Baker started 6 games under McLeish, had been loaned out for the first half of the season and only made his first appearance of the season in January. Last season he started 25 times, more than 4x the amount from McLeish's season. Weimann started 5 under McLeish and was loaned out to Watford, only to be brought back as back up when injuries hit. Again, 25 starts last season, 5x more than 11-12. The fact is these two were players that were back ups to the first team before Lambert came and have been semi-permanent first teamers since. If that isn't playing our academy players, I don't know what is. As for Clark and Bannan, I only said you could argue a case for them too, as Clark almost doubled the amount of Villa appearances he had in the previous 3 seasons in just one, and Bannan started double the amount of games than the season before. The assertion wasn't that Lambert doesn't give our academy players debut's and chances, it was that he doesn't play them, but there are at least 4 players that he has played considerably more than they had previously been played before he came. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay.P.A Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Isn't this blog advertising just spam? I get enough of this rubbish on newsnow. Not really. It's a well written piece, relevant to the discussion and no one is forcing you to click on it and read it. Thank you very much. I really appreciate that mate. Isn't this blog advertising just spam? I get enough of this rubbish on newsnow. Sorry, I didn't mean it like that. As the above poster said, it's relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juteface Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Premier League quality players don't need League One experience I don't even know where to start with this one, sorry. Jesus. I have never seen Luke Shaw, Raheem Sterling, Jack Wilshere, Daniel Sturridge etc playing in League One. So you're saying that Samir Carruthers is as good as them? No, just that it's not essential to have lower-league experience. It's also not essential to not have lower league experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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