KjParton Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Looked rusty and off the pace, but should be okay in the long run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted July 31, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted July 31, 2014 Ok, 2 votes for rusty, understandable after the injury he had. Where on the pitch was he playing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaglint Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 We played Gardner, Johnson and Carruthers centrally with Gardner slightly deeper in the Westwood role. So he was centre midfield but slightly more advanced - box to box I guess. I think that is the right position for him he is just a little off the pace at the moment but that'll come. His problem though is it needs to come quick because he needs to be impressing to get himself ahead in the pecking order to get starts/sub appearances in Premier League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Thing is villaglint, and this has been the trouble for us, they really dont need to impress that much to make the first team 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted July 31, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted July 31, 2014 We played Gardner, Johnson and Carruthers centrally with Gardner slightly deeper in the Westwood role. So he was centre midfield but slightly more advanced - box to box I guess. I think that is the right position for him he is just a little off the pace at the moment but that'll come. His problem though is it needs to come quick because he needs to be impressing to get himself ahead in the pecking order to get starts/sub appearances in Premier League. Cheers for that, I think he is best played centrally, I suppose if he's being tried where he played last night he is competing with Delph/KEA for a place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Thing is villaglint, and this has been the trouble for us, they really dont need to impress that much to make the first team You are a right barrel of laughs this morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulver Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 VERY poor last night, but in good company with Johnson and Gardner also doing nothing at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itdoesntmatterwhatthissay Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 VERY poor last night, but in good company with Johnson and Gardner also doing nothing at all Completely disagree, he wasn't amazing but very poor? Absolutely not. His passing was purposeful going forward and he tried to play the ball to players who can't really take it on or play natural one touch football. He played a fairly forward role and with two kids up top we struggled to really make chances due to younger players without tactical experience. He pushed us forward and because of that made mistakes, he created chances though which is what you want from a guy playing his role. Johnson had purple patches and so did Gardner, Johnson showed a lot of energy and supported going forward and backward, at least these three guys can control a strong pass whereas players such Bennett, Tonev and Lowton consistently made errors on the ball. It was a step up from the US tour and Chesterfield made it a testing affair, especially as we were playing a really inexperienced team, I felt it was a good workout and while the score could have been worse there were some good signs. It was a step up from the US tour and Chesterfield made it a testing affair, especially as we were playing a really inexperienced first team, I felt it was a good workout. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulver Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 VERY poor last night, but in good company with Johnson and Gardner also doing nothing at all Completely disagree, he wasn't amazing but very poor? Absolutely not. we'll have to disagree then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itdoesntmatterwhatthissay Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 VERY poor last night, but in good company with Johnson and Gardner also doing nothing at all Completely disagree, he wasn't amazing but very poor? Absolutely not. we'll have to disagree then Any reason why you think he was very poor? I'm interested as you didn't explain why you came to that conclusion you just said 'very poor'. You said he did nothing but he created most of our attacking players chances to move forward. Are you Lambert in disguise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KjParton Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 He was far from great, but by no means was he 'very poor'. Maybe a loan to a championship side would test him? Or do people think he should be on the bench at the moment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Condimentalist Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Don't think he'll make it personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandrell Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Bear in mind he was injured for the last 3 months last season. I think a loan move till january will do him a world of good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 (edited) gone according to Villa Ireland Facebook page I thought he had a future at the club *comment has been deleted now so maybe was just a false alarm* Edited August 5, 2014 by Zatman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboyangel Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 To be honest, he's never looked likely to hold down a position in our midfield. Seems like a nice lad, who has got some good skills bit ultimately not the little extra needed to make it in the premier league. If he goes, I'll wish him luck and will be interested in how his career goes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YLN Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 He was good against Man Utd that time, but nothing since. It's a pity. He won't get a Championship loan. Probably back to League One, possibly on a permanent. I was as excited about him way back when as I am about Grealish now. Again it's the thing that if they're good enough, they're old enough. Waiting for their attributes to increase over time just isn't realistic outside of Football Manager. If you're a good premier league player, you always have been. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob182 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 I thought it was Liverpool he had that good appearance against, under McLeish? Either way, I agree with theboyangel, he's never made a big impression, unfortunately. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted August 5, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted August 5, 2014 I thought he was doing really well on loan till he got injured? Let's not write him off just yet, he's had a very bad injury, let's see how he goes this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 To be fair, he wasn't actually given any sort of chance for us to gauge that he doesn't have what it takes at this level. However the way things have panned out I do think his ship has sailed now. He'd be better off moving to a lower-league and trying to work his way back up from there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulver Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Never looked up to it. If he can make it via dropping down the leagues and bouncing back up then good luck to the lad He wont be the last of our lot that'll have to follow that route. Character building Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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