NoelVilla Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 1 hour ago, sne said: Getting difficult to make fun of the Serie A and their annual points deduction circus when the PL is making an absolute clown show out of this. The Swedish system with "elite licenses" is not perfect but all sanctions happens in the summer. Not during the season. This is a mess. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delboy54 Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 40 minutes ago, villa89 said: It's the clubs themselves that will vote for fines instead of points deductions. Like it or not Man City are good for the league, they bring in big names like Pep and Haaland and generate a lot TV money and interest. Of course fans don't see it that way but PL executives only care about money. If they can get money out of Man City, Newcastle in fines that's all that matters. The PL isn't about what's fair and right and sporting integrity, it's just about money. And this is exactly why man ci€y will get away with a token fine (that they will find a nefarious way not to pay) and a slap on the wrist. Whereas they should be relegated out of existence, but that's not going to happen in reality is it. This awful club is worth too much money to the Premier league...and that is what modern football is all about.....££££ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 Manchester City were never going to get a points reduction anyway, so that being phased out, if so, has no bearing on them, their punishment if found guilty will be trophies that they've won whilst cheating, again if that's proven to be the case, taken away and demotion from the Premier League, maybe a three year ban, so they will essentially have to ask the football league if they can play in League Two and then work their way back If found guilty they will be punished in such a way that it will dwarf many times over what has happened to Everton, just their case is different and more to it, and probably a lot more complicated, so going to take longer to resolve, but it will come eventually Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlobalVillan Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 (edited) 1 hour ago, useless said: Manchester City were never going to get a points reduction anyway, so that being phased out, if so, has no bearing on them, their punishment if found guilty will be trophies that they've won whilst cheating, again if that's proven to be the case, taken away and demotion from the Premier League, maybe a three year ban, so they will essentially have to ask the football league if they can play in League Two and then work their way back If found guilty they will be punished in such a way that it will dwarf many times over what has happened to Everton, just their case is different and more to it, and probably a lot more complicated, so going to take longer to resolve, but it will come eventually I am willing to bet any amount you like that you are wrong about that. As for being stripped of titles, nobody in the game, from journalists to lawyers expects that to happen according to everything I have seen. They will get away with it. Edited April 8 by GlobalVillan 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommo_b Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 A 2 points deduction is a pretty lame punishment isn’t it?! A 15 point deduction would be better, surely punishments are meant to deter clubs from committing the rule break. Not being funny but if us breaking the rules to meant we could sign De Bruyne, Haaland and Van Dijk and only get deducted two points, well **** it, take the two points off us. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 5 hours ago, rodders0223 said: About 40m net from player trading, 2 lots of points deductions, a club in turmoil off the pitch, dreadful squad and they're still not in the bottom 3. That Dyche is shit! **** me. Tactics Tim, Lambert, Bruce, Mcleish, Garde, Gerrard, Houliier would have relegated us 2 times over. only beaten a dreadful Burnley in the last four months Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted April 8 VT Supporter Share Posted April 8 13 minutes ago, Tommo_b said: A 2 points deduction is a pretty lame punishment isn’t it?! Yeah, any Everton fan who moans about that is a nob head. It's clearly designed to not send them down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a-k Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 It's too bad they don't have another match against City before the season is done. Would be some statement to just walk off after kick-off in protest that they've received a penalty but City haven't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 Not a good look for the Premier league that these independent commissions keep on ignoring their recommendations for points deductions. Apparently with this latest charge premier league wanted to deduct five further points from Everton. Fairly sure aswell any proven breach would be -3 so for the commission to actually find the club guilty but then insist they get a much lower punishment than what the premier league want isn't a great look for them and I'm fairly sure given who it's gone this season pretty much all the premier league clubs will be voting to scrap this so the status quo will remain even more tightly snug over the next decade. Everton's biggest challenge now is not to fall into administration as they're in danger of that if this 777 takeover doesn't happen for them soon. And that will be a fixed -9 points deduction for next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 36 minutes ago, a-k said: It's too bad they don't have another match against City before the season is done. Would be some statement to just walk off after kick-off in protest that they've received a penalty but City haven't they are playing Forest soon and I think its on Sky and have read will be a joint protest 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdman Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 2 hours ago, useless said: Manchester City were never going to get a points reduction anyway, so that being phased out, if so, has no bearing on them, their punishment if found guilty will be trophies that they've won whilst cheating, again if that's proven to be the case, taken away and demotion from the Premier League, maybe a three year ban, so they will essentially have to ask the football league if they can play in League Two and then work their way back If found guilty they will be punished in such a way that it will dwarf many times over what has happened to Everton, just their case is different and more to it, and probably a lot more complicated, so going to take longer to resolve, but it will come eventually This is just fantasy...a beautiful one which would be fantastic but I just cannot see it happening. Theyll get some punishment but it will amount to getting away with it. If their financial dealings are that complicated and it's difficult to investigate in a reasonable time frame they should be thrown under a ton of bricks and a line drawn under the sorry saga. It takes the p1ss it really does. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calcifer Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 16 hours ago, sidcow said: Yeah, any Everton fan who moans about that is a nob head. It's clearly designed to not send them down. They are all moaning - its a scouse thing to play the victim i think 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 Appeal result will be released one week after the season ends. What a shambles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 51 minutes ago, calcifer said: They are all moaning - its a scouse thing to play the victim i think Definitely, all that Scouse not English nonsense.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 They could easily be relegated, they're only two points ahead of Luton now, they've won just one of the last fourteen in the league, only Sheffield United have taken fewer points in that time, and even then only two points fewer having played one less game, so they've been close to the worst team in the league for a while now. If they are relegated then it will be the deductions that has sent them down, without them they would be virtually safe already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 31 minutes ago, villa89 said: Appeal result will be released one week after the season ends. What a shambles. That’s ridiculous - do the league want this in the courts potentially? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Platt Posted April 9 VT Supporter Share Posted April 9 1 minute ago, The_Steve said: That’s ridiculous - do the league want this in the courts potentially? If it does end up in court I think Everton would win as in my eyes it's black and white with regards to deductions as in where in the rules other than admin is it written you get a points deduction. That's the issue for me as yes they admitted to wrong doing but there is nothing set in stone to say what happens when you break the rules. Not even seen any guidelines it's just some panel making it up as they go. Dodgy ground for a legal defence for The Premier League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 (edited) 24 minutes ago, The_Steve said: That’s ridiculous - do the league want this in the courts potentially? I don't think it will end up the courts because all the clubs have signed up for the current process when FFP was introduced in the first place. I also assume any new member of the PL has agreed to these rules when they were promoted. Quote If it does end up in court I think Everton would win as in my eyes it's black and white with regards to deductions as in where in the rules other than admin is it written you get a points deduction. That's the issue for me as yes they admitted to wrong doing but there is nothing set in stone to say what happens when you break the rules. Not even seen any guidelines it's just some panel making it up as they go. Dodgy ground for a legal defence for The Premier League. The clubs have signed up to let an independent panel decide the punishment. A completely different independent panel judge the appeal. Again they can't really go to court over a system they designed & voted on themselves. Edited April 9 by villa89 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 They'll shithouse a couple of wins before the end of the season and just about stay up. Again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 1 hour ago, The_Steve said: That’s ridiculous - do the league want this in the courts potentially? If Everton go down and appeal at end of season then wouldnt be surprised if next season starts with 22 teams to clean the mess Maybe its why Klopp is leaving, cant be having extra games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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