Zatman Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 2 minutes ago, LondonLax said: A point at Newcastle is a good result for anyone though. in normal circumstances yes but when are playing stinking football and not getting results every winless game is an issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Platt Posted April 2 VT Supporter Share Posted April 2 I watched a bit of it the players are still playing for him so that's more than can be said when we went down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 14 minutes ago, Zatman said: Worst run of form in 67 years, Dychey doing a fine job rumours now he will be sacked if they lose to Burnley on the weekend If they do sack him who comes in? Big ask to take over with so few games left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 so, 0 wins, 6 draws, 7 losses in the last 13 PL games. 0.46 PPG in that time. yikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 Isn't another points deduction dropping this week? If that happens they need to be winning three home games and not losing at Luton otherwise trying to stay up on 31-32 points is pretty risky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 2 minutes ago, VillaChris said: Isn't another points deduction dropping this week? If that happens they need to be winning three home games and not losing at Luton otherwise trying to stay up on 31-32 points is pretty risky. A 3-4 point deduction still doesn’t drop them into the relegation zone. All they need to do is beat Luton and a couple of draws and that might be enough to keep them up. Or just match Luton’s results for the last 8 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 1 minute ago, ender4 said: A 3-4 point deduction still doesn’t drop them into the relegation zone. All they need to do is beat Luton and a couple of draws and that might be enough to keep them up. Or just match Luton’s results for the last 8 games. Luton-Everton is right at the end of the season and Luton beaten them twice already at Goodison. Everton finish at Arsenal while Luton have West Ham and Fulham to finish who won't have a huge amount to play for. Don't think Everton can afford to lose at Luton and ideally need to be safe by final game this year (although their GD is miles better than Luton so three point difference will probably be o.k) as Luton beating Fulham at home and Everton losing at Arsenal is a very realistic set of results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 It doesn’t matter how many points deductions you throw at Everton and Forest, the bottom 3 are so poor, they’ll probably stay up anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 10 hours ago, Zatman said: in normal circumstances yes but when are playing stinking football and not getting results every winless game is an issue These are not normal circumstances and how many managers have Everton had in the last few years. If he had lost the dressing room I wouid agree and I don't like Dyches style of football either but who is going to want to go there, some mercenary like big Sam who wouid do no better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 23 minutes ago, Delphinho123 said: It doesn’t matter how many points deductions you throw at Everton and Forest, the bottom 3 are so poor, they’ll probably stay up anyway Burnley have picked up some form recently, though, and don't have the worst run of fixtures (Everton (A), Brighton (H), Sheff Utd (A)). They were cut adrift but are now "only" 6 points off safety. If they beat Everton... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 1 minute ago, PaulC said: These are not normal circumstances and how many managers have Everton had in the last few years. If he had lost the dressing room I wouid agree and I don't like Dyches style of football either but who is going to want to go there, some mercenary like big Sam who wouid do no better. Finished 8th under Big Sam then sacked him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 25 minutes ago, Zatman said: Finished 8th under Big Sam then sacked him Yes that was then this is now. Sam has had many Jobs since and failed everytime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedClaretAndBlue Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 1 hour ago, Delphinho123 said: It doesn’t matter how many points deductions you throw at Everton and Forest, the bottom 3 are so poor, they’ll probably stay up anyway Yeah its mad to think Everton havent won in 13 League games, taken 6 points from 39, had a 6 point deduction yet are still 4 points clear of Luton who have to go to the Emirates tonight ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 1 hour ago, Zatman said: Finished 8th under Big Sam then sacked him They had a much better team in those times. Glyfi Sigurdsson would be like Messi in this team. Doucoure sums them up a bit...he's been very effective for Dycheball with many crucial goals in last 12 months but when he's off it he can't pass or impact on games so that's how you can easily nullify them. Even if Everton stay up this season they'll just be down in the bottom 6 again next season as all but certain they'll have to sell Branthwaite and possibly Onana to meet FFP and they won't have much to replace either so will be more Ashley Young type punts on free transfers e.g. Johnny Evans probably go there when Man. United release him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 The criticism Luton get for not being more competitive is ridiculous, as recently as 2018 they were playing in League Two, just a couple of seasons ago they were still finishing in the bottom half of the Championship, season before last they reached play-offs having spent no money, last season they reached and won the play-offs having only spent a couple of million, they massively overachived in doing so, in the summer they spent just £25m on a squad that was nowhere near ready for the Premier League, that is they didn't spend very much at all, and nowhere near enough to make them competitive at PL level in any right thinking person's eyes They've very done well to have as many points as they have, and even if the games where they've lost they've been competitive in those games, in our first season after promotion we only had four more points than Luton have now after the same amount of games, having spend £100m plus and already having Grealish and McGinn in the squad Everton's recent form is atrocious but their form overall this season in a normal season see them survive, take away their points deduction and they would be on thirty-two points, so most years would need just one more win to gurantee survival, one more win and a couple of draws would make sure 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Field Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 1 minute ago, useless said: The criticism Luton get for not being more competitive is ridiculous, as recently as 2018 they were playing in League Two, just a couple of seasons ago they were still finishing in the bottom half of the Championship, season before last they reached play-offs having spent no money, last season they reached and won the play-offs having only spent a couple of million, they massively overachived in doing so, in the summer they spent just £25m on a squad that was nowhere near ready for the Premier League, that is they didn't spend very much at all, and nowhere near enough to make them competitive at PL level in any right thinking person's eyes They've very done well to have as many points as they have, and even if the games where they've lost they've been competitive in those games, in our first season after promotion we only had four more points than Luton have now after the same amount of games, having spend £100m plus and already having Grealish and McGinn in the squad Everton's recent form is atrocious but their form overall this season in a normal season see them survive, take away their points deduction and they would be on thirty-two points, so most years would need just one more win to gurantee survival, one more win and a couple of draws would make sure I think most people would agree that what Luton have done the past many seasons (and this) has been incredibly impressive, that though does not change the fact that they are nowhere near premier league standard this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 Just now, Chicken Field said: I think most people would agree that what Luton have done the past many seasons (and this) has been incredibly impressive, that though does not change the fact that they are nowhere near premier league standard this season They've still got a shot. Probably at this point last season Bournemouth only had 22-23 points but they had a really good run in and survived comfortably. Luton got four homes left with Bournemouth, Brentford, Everton and Fulham. Goes without saying they need to win three of those to have any chance but I don't think it looks improbable when you see what Fulham are doing on the road currently. They were also 3-0 up at Bournemouth so they'll be up for that match to put it right. Turning point in Luton's season was Adebayo injuring his hamstring in the warm up v Man. United two months ago as he was in excellent form at the time. Not sure if he's back anytime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Field Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 1 minute ago, VillaChris said: They've still got a shot. Probably at this point last season Bournemouth only had 22-23 points but they had a really good run in and survived comfortably. Luton got four homes left with Bournemouth, Brentford, Everton and Fulham. Goes without saying they need to win three of those to have any chance but I don't think it looks improbable when you see what Fulham are doing on the road currently. They were also 3-0 up at Bournemouth so they'll be up for that match to put it right. Turning point in Luton's season was Adebayo injuring his hamstring in the warm up v Man. United two months ago as he was in excellent form at the time. Not sure if he's back anytime soon. Would love it if they stay up, especially if it means everton get relegated. Luton have played some really impressive football throughout the season, although they seem to concede so many late goals. They do remind me a lot of Blackpool. Can't remember a team conceding so many late goals and losing so many leads before in the premier league, vut their ability to score (and determination) means they are capable of picking up some points. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 6 minutes ago, VillaChris said: They've still got a shot. Probably at this point last season Bournemouth only had 22-23 points but they had a really good run in and survived comfortably. Luton got four homes left with Bournemouth, Brentford, Everton and Fulham. Goes without saying they need to win three of those to have any chance but I don't think it looks improbable when you see what Fulham are doing on the road currently. They were also 3-0 up at Bournemouth so they'll be up for that match to put it right. Turning point in Luton's season was Adebayo injuring his hamstring in the warm up v Man. United two months ago as he was in excellent form at the time. Not sure if he's back anytime soon. Bournemouth had 30 points at this stage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 Luton aren't doing much worse than we were doing in our first season back or Forest last season, and I'm sure if you go through all the seasons there are other similar examples 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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