VillaChris Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 1 minute ago, BOF said: I think the question at the time was whether he would ever turn that corner. The thinking being 'once a bad egg always a bad egg' (see Ravel). The fact he has acknowledged his indiscretions and has started the season the way he has, tells me he has already turned that corner and has made the step that many feared he wouldn't make. I think he has had his reality check and this is now phase 2 of his career and he will never look back from it. To which I let out a huge sigh of relief. It was only 6 months of messing about. Someone like Ravel has been messing around for years and still dosen't seem to get the message. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted September 1, 2016 Moderator Share Posted September 1, 2016 1 minute ago, VillaChris said: It was only 6 months of messing about. Yep, and even then it was a teenager getting drunk in Spain with his mates. Hold the **** phone. But anyhoo, he held his hands up and has moved on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted September 1, 2016 Moderator Share Posted September 1, 2016 2 minutes ago, BOF said: I think the question at the time was whether he would ever turn that corner. The thinking being 'once a bad egg always a bad egg' (see Ravel). The fact he has acknowledged his indiscretions and has started the season the way he has, tells me he has already turned that corner and has made the step that many feared he wouldn't make. I think he has had his reality check and this is now phase 2 of his career and he will never look back from it. To which I let out a huge sigh of relief. Maybe, I think its a little soon to say after 5 games. Admitting there is an issue is often the hardest thing to do and seemingly he has done that, the next part though is actually changing rather than changing behaviour. Its a little like a diet, people can throw themselves into them with great intentions only to revert to old habits after a while, a lifestyle change is far harder. Jack liked the life and all that went with it, I can understand that not everyone is a James Milner. But for me it remains to be seen if he has taken a different path or its a short term change, I think we need to wait a while yet to see. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 2 minutes ago, BOF said: Yep, and even then it was a teenager getting drunk in Spain with his mates. Hold the **** phone. But anyhoo, he held his hands up and has moved on. I was more offended by the post Everton stuff tbh. He's doing his talking now on the pitch that's the important thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted September 1, 2016 Moderator Share Posted September 1, 2016 5 minutes ago, BOF said: Yep, and even then it was a teenager getting drunk in Spain with his mates. Hold the **** phone. But anyhoo, he held his hands up and has moved on. It really wasn't, I think you are down playing it a little there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 15 minutes ago, BOF said: I think the question at the time was whether he would ever turn that corner. The thinking being 'once a bad egg always a bad egg' (see Ravel). The fact he has acknowledged his indiscretions and has started the season the way he has, tells me he has already turned that corner and has made the step that many feared he wouldn't make. I think he has had his reality check and this is now phase 2 of his career and he will never look back from it. To which I let out a huge sigh of relief. Exactly and I suspect RDMs management has helped in this. Garde was Grealishs worst nightmare in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted September 1, 2016 Moderator Share Posted September 1, 2016 1 minute ago, Demitri_C said: Exactly and I suspect RDMs management has helped in this. Garde was Grealishs worst nightmare in my opinion. And yet when he looks back, I bet he'll acknowledge that in some small way he needed a Remi Garde in his life at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted September 1, 2016 Moderator Share Posted September 1, 2016 11 minutes ago, TrentVilla said: It really wasn't, I think you are down playing it a little there. Maybe, but for me the list of transgressions is secondary to the more important point of him acknowledging what they were and moving on from them. For me it's not too soon to say he has put it behind him because for me the analogy would be the flicking of a switch. He has flicked that switch and seen the light. Many feared he never would. OK you still fear he may regress and that's fair enough, but personally I don't. Psychologically I think he has now made the important step. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pilchard Posted September 1, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted September 1, 2016 7 minutes ago, BOF said: And yet when he looks back, I bet he'll acknowledge that in some small way he needed a Remi Garde in his life at some point. I wish I hadn't had Remi Garde in my life 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted September 1, 2016 Moderator Share Posted September 1, 2016 9 minutes ago, BOF said: Maybe, but for me the list of transgressions is secondary to the more important point of him acknowledging what they were and moving on from them. For me it's not too soon to say he has put it behind him because for me the analogy would be the flicking of a switch. He has flicked that switch and seen the light. Many feared he never would. OK you still fear he may regress and that's fair enough, but personally I don't. Psychologically I think he has now made the important step. I don't see it being that linear but we shall see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoony Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 I've been one of his biggest critics but I'll hold my hands up and say fair play to the lad, he seems to have got his head in the game and started to take his job more seriously. Credit to him and long may it continue! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 14 minutes ago, Pilchard said: I wish I hadn't had Remi Garde in my life TBF though he wasnt backed at all. So bit difficult to judge him 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Spoony Posted September 1, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted September 1, 2016 5 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: TBF though he wasnt backed at all. So bit difficult to judge him I will never judge Remi Garde for his time here. Hands completely tied and dealing with an impossible situation. He might as well not have been here. 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 (edited) 55 minutes ago, BOF said: I think the question at the time was whether he would ever turn that corner. The thinking being 'once a bad egg always a bad egg' (see Ravel). The fact he has acknowledged his indiscretions and has started the season the way he has, tells me he has already turned that corner and has made the step that many feared he wouldn't make. I think he has had his reality check and this is now phase 2 of his career and he will never look back from it. To which I let out a huge sigh of relief. Whilst I understand the sentiment, I think the comparison with Ravel is harsh. By all accounts Ravel was involved in gangs and criminal activity. Jack just (stupidly) liked to go for a few drinks. Like you say it appears that he has cut that out now and wants to knuckle down, currently we're getting the rewards from this so long may it continue. Edited September 1, 2016 by mikeyp102 Just caught up with rest of thread so ignore Ravel comments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted September 1, 2016 Moderator Share Posted September 1, 2016 2 minutes ago, mikeyp102 said: Whilst I understand the sentiment, I think the comparison with Ravel is harsh. By all accounts Ravel was involved in gangs and criminal activity. Jack just (stupidly) liked to go for a few drinks. Like you say it appears that he has cut that out now and wants to knuckle down, currently we're getting the rewards from this so long may it continue. There wasn't a comparison to Morrison, BOF was doing quite the opposite I fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 I don't think he's playing any differently now to how he did under Sherwood. You can argue he's been more productive, but it's all such a small sample size that it's statistically irrelevant. He's a very talented player, one of the best we've produced going back 30 years. He has done what we've asked of him and sorted his personal life out. Long may he reign. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 1 hour ago, Spoony said: I will never judge Remi Garde for his time here. Hands completely tied and dealing with an impossible situation. He might as well not have been here. Agreed. I also think he was good for Jack, gave him a bit of a reality check. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanBalaban Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 Picked up a small knee injury whilst away with the U21's. Hopefully not serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 38 minutes ago, StanBalaban said: Picked up a small knee injury whilst away with the U21's. Hopefully not serious. Balls was hoping he'd play Tuesday for them. Like you say hopefully not serious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 Sent home with the injury. Hope this doesn't stop a promising start to the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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