Popular Post a m ole Posted December 3, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted December 3, 2015 10 minutes ago, Kingman said: Pi55 poor management imo, lad has a few beers now and again and gets put on the naughty step. At least the U21's will be top of the league after the Christmas do, as there will be no one left with this approach. This isn't Sunday League. Its absolutely spot on management. 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 In fairness, cancelling in advance isn't the same as 'not turning up'. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 No big deal if he doesn't want to speak to a guy who thinks fish comes out of trees then its his prerogative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 (edited) 30 minutes ago, a m ole said: This isn't Sunday League. Its absolutely spot on management. The lads not 12 so the naughty step is a rather dated form of punishment especially when we need all players available. Talk about cutting you're nose off to spite your face. If you treat them like kids, They will act like kids. Simple as that really. Edited December 3, 2015 by Kingman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 2 minutes ago, Kingman said: The lads not 12 so the naughty step is a rather dated form of punishment especially when we need all players available. Talk about cutting you're nose off to spite your face. If you treat them like kids, They will act like kids. Simple as that really. it's not the naughty step. He's not been fined. He's part of a squad, and if the manager doesn't think his behaviour matches the professionalism of the rest of the squad he can move him to where he sees fit. If he's not performing in matches or training then why does he deserve to be in the first team? Disciplinary procedures happen in all businesses and if you don't follow the rules you are reprimanded. This is the real world, and treating him like he's a part of it is absolutely vital to ensuring his career progresses the way we all want it to. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 (edited) 17 minutes ago, a m ole said: it's not the naughty step. He's not been fined. He's part of a squad, and if the manager doesn't think his behaviour matches the professionalism of the rest of the squad he can move him to where he sees fit. If he's not performing in matches or training then why does he deserve to be in the first team? Disciplinary procedures happen in all businesses and if you don't follow the rules you are reprimanded. This is the real world, and treating him like he's a part of it is absolutely vital to ensuring his career progresses the way we all want it to. Yeah this is the real world and as you state "Disciplinary procedures happen in all businesses and if you don't follow the rules you are reprimanded" Exactly, If senior staff drop a bollock then they get pulled in and advised accordingly, Not told to leave their senior role and go and sweep up and make the tea for a week with the apprentices. Pi55 poor management IMO. Edited December 3, 2015 by Kingman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 I think that's a poor analogy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Be him Banker, Bricklayer, Baker or Play Maker, Your very much entitled to your opinion pal but thats the reality of the situation no matter what the trade! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 2 hours ago, Zatman said: I think Merse said it on Sky earlier, he said agent set up meeting and then cancelled the day before. Also said Grealish is a good kid who is just lost so didn't fail to turn up then, cancelling the appointment ahead of schedule seems perfectly permissable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 56 minutes ago, Kingman said: The lads not 12 so the naughty step is a rather dated form of punishment especially when we need all players available. Talk about cutting you're nose off to spite your face. If you treat them like kids, They will act like kids. Simple as that really. He is already acting like a kid, rather than the professional footballer he is. Garde is attempting to get him back on track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 38 minutes ago, Kingman said: Yeah this is the real world and as you state "Disciplinary procedures happen in all businesses and if you don't follow the rules you are reprimanded" Exactly, If senior staff drop a bollock then they get pulled in and advised accordingly, Not told to leave their senior role and go and sweep up and make the tea for a week with the apprentices. Pi55 poor management IMO. As a m ole says, poor analogy, exaggerated for effect. Grealish has been dropped a level, similar to what would happen in business if circumstances require it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 26 minutes ago, Kingman said: Be him Banker, Bricklayer, Baker or Play Maker, Your very much entitled to your opinion pal but thats the reality of the situation no matter what the trade! he's not scrubbing boots or working in the club shop though is he, he's still training. If you **** up in another job it would be expected that you'd be temporarily taken off an important project until you were ready to contribute to a professional standard again. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 See above! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Grealish has been bloody awful this season, so he is no great loss at the moment to either Garde or the team. And if Garde or someone else does not get him back on track, he will become another of those players who `might have been'. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSV Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 (edited) It's not just his off field antics. On field he's been shit and not working hard enough off the ball. His attitude stinks. Acting unprofessional. Garde is spot on. Let's see if he took it for granted and returns with a fire in his belly Edited December 3, 2015 by KSV 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted December 3, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted December 3, 2015 2 hours ago, AntrimBlack said: As a m ole says, poor analogy, exaggerated for effect. Grealish has been dropped a level, similar to what would happen in business if circumstances require it. Plus it happens all the time in any business. It's fine management. If he wants to get discipline into the squad, and then the first time somebody does something out of line he just lets him off, then he immediately loses respect. I'd wager Grealish will come back with a point to prove. He could yet be our hero this season... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 I have a feeling he will be on the bench against Arsenal, and although I think Grealish is abit of a clown I think he will come on and aim to prove a point. i am sure that is what Garde is looking for from him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thabucks Posted December 4, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted December 4, 2015 Also it is not as if he is 28 and banished to train with the kids he is only 20 so is going back to train with his peer group whom most won't even make it at the club, hopefully he will see how lucky he is. If Remi thinks he has gotten a bit too ahead of himself and needs to go back and train with his peers to sort his attitude out I'm in complete agreement. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weedman Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 The whole "treat them like kids and they'll act like kids" is boulderdash when the reason they're are being punished is for acting like a kid when they had been treated as an adult. Grealish asked to make his own way back from the game, Garde himself has said there is no problem with that and happens occasionally throughout the season. He then acted irresponsibly and stayed out drinking for 2 days. He asked to be treated as a professional and an adult, he was, he took advantage of that and acted like a child, he gets punished. Simple really. Hopefully it can help focus him because while he has loads of potential he isn't good enough yet, and you don't reach your potential as a professional athlete by getting pissed on the weekends with your mates, you get it by working, working hard and working more than your boss makes you, which is the bare minimum. At the moment he is not good enough to be a Premiership player, if he's happy with that and content to slip down the leagues as his career progresses so he can continue having fun, then that's fine, but there's no reason to put him in the team in that case. To go with the business analogy, he's a new staff member, if he shows up bang on time, borderline presentable and does exactly what he has to do before he can leave bang on time again, he isn't going to progress in the company beyond the role he currently holds, compared to the guy who isn't as good to start with, but shows up early, state late, uses his own initiative and volunteers for extra training courses whenever they're available. Natural talent isn't the most important thing in virtually any business including football 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gharperr Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 (edited) I like merson, even more now. carry on folks Edited December 4, 2015 by gharperr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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