Villaphan04 Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 2 hours ago, TrentVilla said: I think one thing has become evidently clear today, Southgate doesn't like Jack either as a character or a player I'm not sure which but its clearly one or the other. He has run out of excuses now for it being performance related. That means I don't think a move would change things for Jack, which is a bonus for us. the quotes from the article make me think that he is firmly looked upon by southgate as a "winger" and not an out and out midfielder. Which is bad for Jack's England hopes because he isn't an out and out winger. Agreed with your last point, that even if Jack moved to United, he's not going to be playing out wide 100% of the time and that just hurts his chances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-R Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 I honestly have to say I hope southgate fails now as england coach big time and that someone else comes in and builds a better england squad, not just because Jack was not picked just because the squad looks pretty dull in places to be fair. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TrentVilla Posted August 25, 2020 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted August 25, 2020 4 minutes ago, Villaphan04 said: the quotes from the article make me think that he is firmly looked upon by southgate as a "winger" and not an out and out midfielder. Which is bad for Jack's England hopes because he isn't an out and out winger. Agreed with your last point, that even if Jack moved to United, he's not going to be playing out wide 100% of the time and that just hurts his chances. I just don’t buy it. This winger comment has never come up before it’s just the latest excuse, if it wasn’t that it would be something else. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 He's also better than Greenwood, so that doesn't fly either. Besides his versatility should actually be a good thing for a manager picking a team. The fact that he's claiming to pigeonhole players into positions makes him look bad if anything. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 9 minutes ago, Keyblade said: The fact that he's claiming to pigeonhole players into positions makes him look bad if anything. Most serious football pundits were saying all last season how Jack brings something no other player at his level in England does, and we’re comparing him to Gazza. The wrongheadedness of this decision will sit there now all season like a dead cat, and the better he plays the more often pundits & journos will point at it and question what Southgate is thinking. Seems a silly hill for him to die on but we all know the country loses its mind when it comes to tournaments, fans from all clubs refocus on the national team winning. Just need Jack to keep doing the business until then and Southgate will be forced to u-turn. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AJ Posted August 26, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 26, 2020 Gareth Southgate locks himself in Julie B's basement. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 As from what has happened, it now doesn't matter if you need PL experience to play for England, as those goal posts have been well and truly moved. As for now, Jack needing to move to a " bigger" club shouldn't be believed either, because what further bullshit excuse would be given for not selecting Jack, even if he is tearing it up for Manchester City/United, Liverpool, Spurs, or whoever? He has no honour. He deserves zero respect, as he has gone against his word. Anything that comes out of Sewergrate's mouth has no credibility whatsoever. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 I know this is just a dream of mine, but I would have a good giggle fit if Thor tears that midfield apart! I know it's unlikely, but it would just feel soooooo good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jacketspuds Posted August 26, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 26, 2020 Gareth Southgate believes that John McGinn would have joined Celtic, had they matched our bid for him. 2 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam2003 Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Keyblade said: He's also better than Greenwood, so that doesn't fly either. Besides his versatility should actually be a good thing for a manager picking a team. The fact that he's claiming to pigeonhole players into positions makes him look bad if anything. I think Jack is sensational and deserves his place in the squad, and I think he is a completely different player to Greenwood - however I also think barring injury Greenwood will be England’s best striker over the next 10 years. I’m more shocked the likes of Winks are in ahead of him (I know Southgate’s position excuse but still...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedClaretAndBlue Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 Gareth Southgate takes the toys out his kids’ happy meals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 23 minutes ago, BleedClaretAndBlue said: Gareth Southgate takes the toys out his kids’ happy meals 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 4 hours ago, Villaphan04 said: the quotes from the article make me think that he is firmly looked upon by southgate as a "winger" and not an out and out midfielder. Which is bad for Jack's England hopes because he isn't an out and out winger. Agreed with your last point, that even if Jack moved to United, he's not going to be playing out wide 100% of the time and that just hurts his chances. The way Southgate answers these questions make him sound like a football simpleton. I'm seriously doubting him. Jack is a wide playmaker when he plays on the wing, why can't we have someone like that in the squad? Especially when he's more talented than a lot of the rest of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferguson1 Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 2 hours ago, BleedClaretAndBlue said: Gareth Southgate takes the toys out his kids’ happy meals 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 Also...he said something along the lines of how he doesn't see him as a number 8 and England don't play with a 10...yet he selects Mount...WTF? Grealish is a much, much better number 8 than Mount. It also cracks me up how he mentioned all the wingers and then dropped Hudson-Odoi's name again as if he's still ahead of Grealish He needs to come out and give his true reason for not picking him which is that he has a personal problem with him, instead of feeding us all these bullshit wishy washy excuses which everyone can now see straight through. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 Even if selected there is no chance southgate would use him. Think we have to accept until this clowns sacked grealish wont get a look unless the media put intense pressure on him he wont be getting a call up any time soon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 Southgate grew up in Crawley, he was always going to be a wrong 'un. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 He's embarrassing himself with the excuses. If you don't rate him Gareth, say so...and embarrass yourself even further. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 6 hours ago, The_Steve said: It's actually tragic. What a loser. Southgate won't be manager come the Euros. Yeah he will, he has a world class front 3 to get him out of the shit he'll do well in the friendlies, he'll do well in the qualifiers, he'll do well in the nation league thing, he'll get an easy group at the euros and do well in that... Then he'll play someone half decent and lose And get labelled as unlucky 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 6 minutes ago, villa4europe said: Yeah he will, he has a world class front 3 to get him out of the shit he'll do well in the friendlies, he'll do well in the qualifiers, he'll do well in the nation league thing, he'll get an easy group at the euros and do well in that... Then he'll play someone half decent and lose And get labelled as unlucky This has been the England national team since the day I started watching football. Different coaches, same shit. Revolving door of Good Old Boys. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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