villa4europe Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 38 minutes ago, markavfc40 said: The clearly racist elements in Dahmer were the neighbour continually phoning the police saying she can hear fighting/someone is being hurt/someone is being killed next door and the police not attending. I can't believe for a second if that is an affluent white area the Police don't immediately attend. Also smaller elements like when the Asian father spoke in court when Dahmer had sexually assaulted his son and the judge said he couldn't understand him so he got his son to speak and the judge not being interessted and then telligng them to submit a letter for court records. As already mentioned the Police making phone calls telling them to go back to their own country. I thought the whole thing wreaked of institutional racism and homophobia on the side of the Police. How much of it was true I don't know. But you can separate affluent and white and that's where I'm not so sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 Just started on The Offer. 10 part mini series about the making of The Godfather movie and so far it's really good. Every character is a bit ott and cartoonish but it's really fun and the story is great. So far it's quite fast paced which is fine by me. It has 8.7 on IMDB so hopefully it will stay good. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 Started watching some Netflix periodic drama called The Empress. It's about the 19th century Hapsburg dynasty. I have to say, the girl who plays the Empress is absolutely gorgeous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 8 hours ago, villa4europe said: But you can separate affluent and white and that's where I'm not so sure I think the telling thing was when the young (white) adults were taking the photos of the apartment block (after Dahmer had gone to prison) and the black girl smashed their camera the Police rocked up 3 or 4 handed and arrested her. As I said earlier whether all this was true or not I don't know but this portrayal certainly showed there was racist element on the part of the Police. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted October 3, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted October 3, 2022 I don't know how you can overlook the racism element of the Dahmer series. Like Mark says, whether that's true or not I don't know. But it's certainly portrayed as part of a huge race issue 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 Don't disagree that it portrays it as racism but at the same time there's homophobia and elitism, they don't give a shit about what's going on in that part of town or to that 14 year old boy, there's zero empathy in the police and in society in general, you're then splitting hairs as to why But like I said based on what was said in Gacy I lean more towards the homophobia The neighbour also complained continously to the building superintendent who did nothing I didn't watch it and think he was able to get away with it because the police are racist but I did think it was because so many in general just don't care And with all this discussion I do also think for all these types of TV shows Dahmer did something that the others don't, they spent more time asking "why?" rather than just how Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted October 3, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted October 3, 2022 1 hour ago, villa4europe said: Don't disagree that it portrays it as racism but at the same time there's homophobia and elitism, they don't give a shit about what's going on in that part of town or to that 14 year old boy, there's zero empathy in the police and in society in general, you're then splitting hairs as to why But like I said based on what was said in Gacy I lean more towards the homophobia The neighbour also complained continously to the building superintendent who did nothing I didn't watch it and think he was able to get away with it because the police are racist but I did think it was because so many in general just don't care And with all this discussion I do also think for all these types of TV shows Dahmer did something that the others don't, they spent more time asking "why?" rather than just how Not solely because of that, but that was definitely a part of it. I think the elitism and the racism goes hand in hand. It was a black neighbourhood, hence why the police didn't give a shit. In fact one of the detectives interviewing explicitly says something along those lines. About that being why he moved to the black neighbourhood, because he could target black men and get away with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Not solely because of that, but that was definitely a part of it. I think the elitism and the racism goes hand in hand. It was a black neighbourhood, hence why the police didn't give a shit. In fact one of the detectives interviewing explicitly says something along those lines. About that being why he moved to the black neighbourhood, because he could target black men and get away with it Yeah that was a good moment, the cop said it and Dahmer looked completely bemused I'm not convinced he did target black men or was that clever Edit - anyone watched the tapes? Not sure what that says on it, I'll leave it a month Edited October 3, 2022 by villa4europe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted October 3, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted October 3, 2022 1 hour ago, villa4europe said: Yeah that was a good moment, the cop said it and Dahmer looked completely bemused I'm not convinced he did target black men or was that clever Edit - anyone watched the tapes? Not sure what that says on it, I'll leave it a month No I don’t think he targeted them for those reasons (Chindie has covered why he went for black men) but what the detective said shows why he did get away with it, even if it wasn’t calculated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mottaloo Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 Finished the Gacy series early this morning. What an evil word removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted October 3, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted October 3, 2022 44 minutes ago, mottaloo said: Finished the Gacy series early this morning. What an evil word removed. He wasn't evil, he just ran an unlicensed cemetery. And filled it up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted October 3, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted October 3, 2022 I wonder if they'll do a dramatisation of the Dean Corll murders, since they seem to have decided that every despicable bastard needs a drama series these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 Bundy hasn't got a drama has he? Now watching sins of our mother, not even really got in to what happened yet but it's balls to the wall crazy, it's funny how we all look to Islam and think it's this and that and should be disparaged and frowned upon and then these lot are way out there and every bit as extreme and dangerous as any other religion can be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy7211 Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 37 minutes ago, villa4europe said: Bundy hasn't got a drama has he? There's a true crime doc on Netflix about him, three parter. It's pretty good. Made with a lot of the people that he gave time to whilst on death row. A lot of tapes are played of his interviews. Much better than the awful "shockingly evil...." movie with Zach Efron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 11 minutes ago, Jonesy7211 said: There's a true crime doc on Netflix about him, three parter. It's pretty good. Made with a lot of the people that he gave time to whilst on death row. A lot of tapes are played of his interviews. Much better than the awful "shockingly evil...." movie with Zach Efron. Yeah there's a Ted bundy tapes on there (same production company as the Gacy and Dahmer tapes?) but I haven't seen a reinactment drama for him Haven't seen thr tapes stuff and don't know much about him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted October 3, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted October 3, 2022 11 minutes ago, villa4europe said: Bundy hasn't got a drama has he? Bundy has had lots of series and films that focus on parts of his story. Nobody has really done the classic dramatisation in recent years though - there's been a few old limited series but not much since 2000. The stuff we have had has focused on things like his interactions with people behind bars, his completely mental 'collaboration' with police to capture the Green River Killer, and his life away from being a murderer (as in that Zac Efron movie). The problem with Bundy is there's not really a story to him that makes him compelling. There's interesting things about him - his escape from prison, his trial, the rage moment that ended his spree, the necrophiliac side, a few aspects of his double life - but there's not really a narrative to him. He was just a monster who enjoyed being a monster. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rds1983 Posted October 4, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted October 4, 2022 I don't get the fascination with watching shows/films about serial killers. Also feels like people are profiteering from the victim's suffering. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 stranger than fiction...seriously if dahmer wasnt a true story there'd be some eye rolling at it making a murderer is still the best IMO and the one that kicked started it all for netflix and its the one that my wife has no interest in anyone watched the staircase drama on HBO? got that lined up at some point as i liked the documentary, again he's another one where he's just interestingly weird and if it was just a drama im not sure id buy in to him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuart_75 Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 Started watching Slow Horses with Gary Oldman. Very good so far. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 Blacklist on Netflix. It's pretty entertaining so far (first 4 episodes). Reddington is a fun character. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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