Popular Post MWARLEY2 Posted November 13, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted November 13, 2023 Thought i would put this up as i just saw some stats.. top 5 current teams in the Premier League this season with offsides won Arsenal...16 Liverpool...21 Man City ..22 Spurs....38 Villa ..58 !!!!! They must have our back 4 working on it 24/7. 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Wainy316 Posted November 13, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted November 13, 2023 Pros - we catch the opposition offside **** loads. Cons - some of the pundits don't like it 20 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 Pros - it's got us to 5th in the league Cons - I think it makes it harder for Unai to make subs, doesn't want to disrupt a side in rhythm maybe 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post villa4europe Posted November 13, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted November 13, 2023 1 minute ago, Wainy316 said: Pros - we catch the opposition offside **** loads. Cons - some of the pundits don't like it And fans... Its mad how many replies of "got away with one there" you see for every offside 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam2003 Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 Pros - keep winning most games. Cons - every now and then we don’t win and it contributes to that at times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam2003 Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 1 minute ago, Rodders said: Cons - I think it makes it harder for Unai to make subs, doesn't want to disrupt a side in rhythm maybe Quite a thoughtful one there that I hadn’t considered 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitvilla Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 5 minutes ago, Wainy316 said: Pros - we catch the opposition offside **** loads. Pros - some of the pundits don't like it FIFY 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 Best thing is I can play commentator high line bingo when watching our matches on tv. As soon as the opposition launch a high ball over our defence and get caught offside, the commentators start babbling about the “high line” and never stop. My high line bingo card is soon full! BTW Dion Dublin doesn't like it so that’s a bit of a con I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrim Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 Pros - It works the vast majority of the time. Cons - ... errrr....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post CarryOnVilla Posted November 13, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted November 13, 2023 It gets the same stick as “playing out from the back” They look like risky tactics, yet done correctly with good players then you are top 5 in the premier league parking the bus and playing long ball is safe, yet gets you in the bottom 3. I rather look risky and get results than look safe and get beat 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmygreaves Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 19 minutes ago, villa4europe said: And fans... Its mad how many replies of "got away with one there" you see for every offside "The more you practice the luckier you get" The only con I can think of is the bloody linesmen don't give the offside when it's totally obvious. The play generally continues with defenders throwing themselves to block crosses, etc... when they shouldn't have to. Bailey got injured last time out doing just this. The other associated issue is the opposition players and fans get an unwarranted psychological boost of a shot on target or a disallowed goal. If the offside is called when it happens (as it should) they wouldn't have this advantage. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 Just now, jimmygreaves said: "The more you practice the luckier you get" The only con I can think of is the bloody linesmen don't give the offside when it's totally obvious. The play generally continues with defenders throwing themselves to block crosses, etc... when they shouldn't have to. Bailey got injured last time out doing just this. The other associated issue is the opposition players and fans get an unwarranted psychological boost of a shot on target or a disallowed goal. If the offside is called when it happens (as it should) they wouldn't have this advantage. I'm of the opinion that it's because they want the chance or even better the goal, makes it more exciting Think it was the Chelsea game where Emi made 3 great saves... But they were all from offsides, sky get a great game though They're doing in to make the game seem more exciting than it actually is 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 34 minutes ago, Wainy316 said: Pros - we catch the opposition offside **** loads. Cons - some of the pundits don't like it unless you play it with 9 men and get smashed Fixed for ya 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post villanmac Posted November 13, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted November 13, 2023 An unintended benefit of the high line is it keeps the back 4 and midfield switched on and focused it for the full 90. The midfield know they have to press the ball every time or the whole thing goes tits up and the back 4 have to always be perfectly in position. When you play deeper you have more of a safety net and players can switch off more individually and get away with being a bit more lax at times. That starts individually and can become contagious to the whole side eventually. With the high line if you mess your individual bit up it's glaring obvious and so it keeps u honest. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 pro's: Watching people creating threads and debating the merits/drawbacks of manager having us play a tactic that has gotten us our best performances and points return in the last 25+ years, and broken or equalled records going back 20 to 90 years. cons: Watching people creating threads and debating the merits/drawbacks of manager having us play a tactic that has gotten us our best performances and points return in the last 25+ years, and broken or equalled records going back 20 to 90 years. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorke81 Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 5 minutes ago, villanmac said: An unintended benefit of the high line is it keeps the back 4 and midfield switched on and focused it for the full 90. The midfield know they have to press the ball every time or the whole thing goes tits up and the back 4 have to always be perfectly in position. When you play deeper you have more of a safety net and players can switch off more individually and get away with being a bit more lax at times. That starts individually and can become contagious to the whole side eventually. With the high line if you mess your individual bit up it's glaring obvious and so it keeps u honest. That’s a really interesting take on it. No room for leniency, keeps everyone on their toes - and the benefit is obvious seeing the amount of goals we produce! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWARLEY2 Posted November 13, 2023 Author Share Posted November 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, MaVilla said: pro's: Watching people creating threads and debating the merits/drawbacks of manager having us play a tactic that has gotten us our best performances and points return in the last 25+ years, and broken or equalled records going back 20 to 90 years. cons: Watching people creating threads and debating the merits/drawbacks of manager having us play a tactic that has gotten us our best performances and points return in the last 25+ years, and broken or equalled records going back 20 to 90 years. Hahaha. You are spot on. I just wanted to see if there was anyone still against it due to causing them heart attacks. Its brilliant how he has evolved. Remember the back 6 against Brighton away and the lowest of low blocks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sulberto21 Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 Only con is that in the Liverpool and Newcastle games the players of the opposition had time and space to play whichever pass they want and no1 tracked their midfield runners from deep. Buendia was a catalyst for the pressure on the ball which we have missed this season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJBOB Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 (edited) Interesting that Arsenal's is so low. They press very aggressively in the opponent third but as soon as the opponent builds out, they drop and are content with blocking/intercepting instead compressing the pitch. I think as a result, Arteta has sacrificed some of the high turnover possibilities with a more solid defense. The numbers show true as they are the league leaders in xGA while we are 4th in xG but the high line results in some opponents running free. An interesting contrast in philosophies. Edit: If you take npXG into account as Arsenal have won 6 penalties, they are 11th in the league. Arteta playing it safe this year. Edited November 13, 2023 by DJBOB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punkiller1981 Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 1 hour ago, MWARLEY2 said: Thought i would put this up as i just saw some stats.. top 5 current teams in the Premier League this season with offsides won Arsenal...16 Liverpool...21 Man City ..22 Spurs....38 Villa ..58 !!!!! They must have our back 4 working on it 24/7. I wonder if that includes the number that are offside that seem to get ignored that pundits seem to view as real chances. I’m thinking as an example estupinian vs Brighton at 0-0 and they say it might have been a different game if that had gone in as opposed to the reality that is it would have been ruled out by var because the line was spot on as it usually is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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