Czarnikjak Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 8 minutes ago, DJBOB said: Interesting that Arsenal's is so low. They press very aggressively in the opponent third but as soon as the opponent builds out, they drop and are content with blocking/intercepting instead compressing the pitch. I think as a result, Arteta has sacrificed some of the high turnover possibilities with a more solid defense. The numbers show true as they are the league leaders in xGA while we are 4th in xG but the high line results in some opponents running free. An interesting contrast in philosophies. Edit: If you take npXG into account as Arsenal have won 6 penalties, they are 11th in the league. Arteta playing it safe this year. Maybe they are low because they DO press high, not giving opposition even the chance to get caught offside. We don't press high and thus encourage long balls over compressed middle of the pitch. Risky strategy playing high line without press. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Follyfoot Posted November 13, 2023 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted November 13, 2023 Suicidal and will be found out after 2 league titles, a europa conference and champions league 3 FA cups and a league cup 1 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Made In Aston Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 (edited) It directly contributes to us scoring goals and works more often than not - which is why we are 5th and only 3pts off 1st. It's more obvious when it doesn't work, which is why it always gets brought up when we conceed the odd goal because of it. Man City and Liverpool both play high lines to good effect, so isn't a flawed strategy but any means. Edited November 13, 2023 by Made In Aston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChesterDad Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 47 minutes ago, Made In Aston said: It directly contributes to us scoring goals and works more often than not - which is why we are 5th and only 3pts off 1st. It's more obvious when it doesn't work, which is why it always gets brought up when we conceed the odd goal because of it. Man City and Liverpool both play high lines to good effect, so isn't a flawed strategy but any means. Don’t think our man has such thing as a floored strategy - it might give us a few palps here and there, but I trust him totally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoony Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 Pros: Everything really (except: see cons) Cons: makes the fans shit themselves. Associated clean up costs. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delboy54 Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 Isn't the only difference with the way man citeh play this system is that as soon as the opposition try to break through, they are cynically fouled and the resultant bookings are shared out as each player in the man citeh team take it in turns to do the fouling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 FWIW I think Liverpool are the only club to properly suss it out too Newcastle were hairline paired with the mings injury so a weird game Liverpool caught us a few times with salah stood offside but classed as inactive, we did our bit and stopped to catch him but then they had Nunez run from deep and an onside position, we successfully played a guy offside that the pass wasn't designed for, it was well done by them 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 If they bring in the semi automated offside (like was at the world cup) that will mean more real time offsides and less pain for us. Often there are marginal offsides and the linesman often just let it go and if VAR is needed then it'll be corrected. This will mean offsides are given quickly in real time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJBOB Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Czarnikjak said: Maybe they are low because they DO press high, not giving opposition even the chance to get caught offside. We don't press high and thus encourage long balls over compressed middle of the pitch. Risky strategy playing high line without press. I don't have enough of the Opta stat data to back it up but from the times I've watched Arsenal, their counter-pressing is nowhere near the levels of say Liverpool/Newcastle/Tottenham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WallisFrizz Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 Pros-we’ve beaten mid and lower table opposition comfortably. Cons-I’m deferring this until after we’ve played Spurs, City and Arsenal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLVillan Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 Pros: Compressing the game means no opponent ever gets comfortable in possession in our half, and we never have long periods where we're chasing side to side and having our goal peppered from all angles. This means we finish games as strongly as we start them. When opponents do get in behind us they have to commit players from midfield to break the line, hence we can exploit the gaps they leave behind to devastating effect on the counter. Cons: It means we have to listen to numpties on the telly saying it's flawed whenever we concede. Ex-pros don't like it because they know it requires a high level of discipline. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 Pro’s. It’s working. Cons - Fans that love to moan about it at the game. (Amongst many other things). Also we’ll occasionally get spanked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 59 minutes ago, CVByrne said: If they bring in the semi automated offside (like was at the world cup) that will mean more real time offsides and less pain for us. Often there are marginal offsides and the linesman often just let it go and if VAR is needed then it'll be corrected. This will mean offsides are given quickly in real time. That’s if they do bring it in. Apparently they declined to use it for some reason. Not sure why. It would be great to see though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 4 hours ago, MWARLEY2 said: Thought i would put this up as i just saw some stats.. top 5 current teams in the Premier League this season with offsides won Arsenal...16 Liverpool...21 Man City ..22 Spurs....38 Villa ..58 !!!!! They must have our back 4 working on it 24/7. There was that pic from a couple of games back where 6 of our players are perfectly in line in exactly the same pose playing the high line and someone on the opposing side is offside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 2 hours ago, Follyfoot said: Suicidal and will be found out after 2 league titles, a europa conference and champions league 3 FA cups and a league cup Only 1 league cup? Emery out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 I kinda wish we could be as good as we are without it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted November 13, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted November 13, 2023 3 hours ago, villa4europe said: I'm of the opinion that it's because they want the chance or even better the goal, makes it more exciting Think it was the Chelsea game where Emi made 3 great saves... But they were all from offsides, sky get a great game though They're doing in to make the game seem more exciting than it actually is Nah. With VAR you have to let the game run on. If the linesman flags straight away and then VAR checks it and the decision was wrong, then they can’t do anything. They’ve already stopped the game. If the linesman keeps his flag down, the player runs on and scores and THEN the linesman flags, then if they go to VAR and the linesman is wrong then they can let the goal stand. It is annoying at times, but if VAR is a thing they have to do it that way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted November 13, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted November 13, 2023 High line is just like zonal marking or possession football. Old school pundits and fans only see the negatives. It’s confirmation bias. We can have 5 games where the high line works and then one game it doesn’t and everyone is screaming that it’s because of the high line. But they don’t shout when it works. Zonal marking is the same. When it doesn’t work everyone points it out but they don’t point out the dozens of times every week when man marking doesn’t work. Or all the times zonal marking works perfectly. We’re playing a high line, we look like as good as we’ve looked in the last 25 ish years. It **** works lads 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 Over the last year we've finished in top ten for the first time in over ten years, reached Europe for the first time in even longer, had our best run of form that many Villa fans will have seen in their lifetime, and playing some of the best football that most fans will have seen. There are no cons, other than sometimes we will concede goals and chances, but we will do that whatever way we play 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinebro Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 (edited) There are no cons. It has taken us into champions league contention. We've not been this good for decades. All top teams plays a high line and you better get onboard with it. Edited November 13, 2023 by Pinebro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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