Zatman Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 6 hours ago, PaulC said: Yes with Bellingham in the team we have improved from the euros and saka immense too. Let's see how we do against USA. I expect a comfortable win Bellingham will be dropped if Phillips gets fit 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 Whilst it cost me my bet I can’t help but rate the Welsh. They were up against a better team but held on and dug in and probably could have won it in the end. Well done to them. Expect England to beat the USA and make changes for the Wales game giving them a great chance of going through. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted November 22, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted November 22, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, PaulC said: Yes with Bellingham in the team we have improved from the euros and saka immense too. With all this talk about the courage of the Iranians in not singing their national anthem, and the whole volatile situation in their country, does anyone not think that this may have had a bearing on their performance? I'm not going so far as to say they were deliberately not trying, but they were considerably more poor than I would have expected. Perhaps the political turmoil was preying on their minds, if only unconsciously? I'm going to reserve judgement on how good England really are until they play a half-decent side. That Iran game smacked to me of flat track bullying. Edited November 22, 2022 by mjmooney 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 31 minutes ago, mjmooney said: With all this talk about the courage of the Iranians in not singing their national anthem, and the whole volatile situation in their country, does anyone not think that this may have had a bearing on their performance? I'm not going so far as to say they were deliberately not trying, but they were considerably more poor than I would have expected. Perhaps the political turmoil was preying on their minds, if only unconsciously? I'm going to reserve judgement on how good England really are until they play a half-decent side. That Iran game smacked to me off flat track bullying. Yes, I agree with this, I don't think that was a particularly dedicated or focused Iran, and I don't see how the turmoil at home could have not had an impact really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rds1983 Posted November 22, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted November 22, 2022 41 minutes ago, mjmooney said: With all this talk about the courage of the Iranians in not singing their national anthem, and the whole volatile situation in their country, does anyone not think that this may have had a bearing on their performance? I'm not going so far as to say they were deliberately not trying, but they were considerably more poor than I would have expected. Perhaps the political turmoil was preying on their minds, if only unconsciously? I'm going to reserve judgement on how good England really are until they play a half-decent side. That Iran game smacked to me off flat track bullying. Yet England still couldn't keep a clean sheet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhan_Zhuang Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 15 minutes ago, Rds1983 said: Yet England still couldn't keep a clean sheet. One dodgy pen and the other goal as a result of Maguire feeling unwell. England still bossed the game and should have had a pen too..... Iran was a banana skin, they are a good team with a good manager. Their record is good recently.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rds1983 Posted November 22, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted November 22, 2022 12 minutes ago, Zhan_Zhuang said: One dodgy pen and the other goal as a result of Maguire feeling unwell. England still bossed the game and should have had a pen too..... Iran was a banana skin, they are a good team with a good manager. Their record is good recently.... England still let 2 goals in. A better team will punish the poor defence and I feel the high scoring attack is more the anomaly and they'll revert to struggling to break teams down. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted November 22, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted November 22, 2022 29 minutes ago, Zhan_Zhuang said: Iran was a banana skin, they are a good team with a good manager. Their record is good recently.... Precisely my point above. It raises the question of whether they were a good team made to look poor by an excellent England side, or a team performing well below par (for whatever reason) and thus making England look good. We'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaglint Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 2 hours ago, Zatman said: Bellingham will be dropped if Phillips gets fit Not even Southgate is that stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 Thought Argentina had more tasty attacking talent than they have. Surprised Buendia didn't sneak into the squad, even with Gerrard ball (ugh). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 38 minutes ago, villaglint said: Not even Southgate is that stupid. But he's stupid enough to have started phillips if he was fit... Its a masterstroke that's stared him in the face for over a year because it was so blindingly obvious yet it took phillips not being 100% for it to happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will87 Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 Soft as anything 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giro Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 So that pen was given but Maguires wasn’t yesterday Yeah sound 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, will87 said: Soft as anything I thought that, he just learned into him and fell over. How to get a penalty, refs and VAR are clueless. Starting to look a bit corrupt not giving McGuire's yesterday. Edited November 22, 2022 by foreveryoung Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 Yeah I can see a whole World Cup of forwards feeling a bit of contact and timing their falling over perfectly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 1 minute ago, foreveryoung said: I thought that, he just learned into him and fell over. How to get a penalty, refs and VAR are clueless. Starting to look a bit corrupt not giving McGuire's yesterday. Arm around the midriff = knees buckling Refs have no common sense and don't understand what they're watching, it's infuriating 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 Softest pen I’ve seen in a long time. Will ruin the tournament if they keep giving those Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mottaloo Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 Di Maria is picked for their squad but Buendia isn't ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, villa4europe said: Arm around the midriff = knees buckling Refs have no common sense and don't understand what they're watching, it's infuriating If you wanna get detailed, that Bale foul was not a penalty either, yes they are always given, but it's manufactured, he moved across him causing the player to push him over. I'd actually say 75% of penalties are not really fouls, but then I guess 75% of fouls are not really fouls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 saudi look surprisingly decent on the ball tbh. i think the lack of pace in that Argie front line hurts them, can see why saudi are playing such a high line. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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