dubbs Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 13 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: It's good to be ambitious, but I do wonder if there's a bit of a danger of getting a reputation for taking on daft transfer attempts. We've tried Smith-Rowe, Ward-Prowse, Phillips and Bentancur all in the last twelve months or so, and all were never going to happen. You don't win the lottery if you don't buy a ticket and IMO there was more chance of signing those types of players than winning the lotto! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 40 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: It's good to be ambitious, but I do wonder if there's a bit of a danger of getting a reputation for taking on daft transfer attempts. We've tried Smith-Rowe, Ward-Prowse, Phillips and Bentancur all in the last twelve months or so, and all were never going to happen. Equally we got Digne, Coutinho and Kamara over the line and I'd have thought those would never happen either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 7 minutes ago, Keyblade said: Equally we got Digne, Coutinho and Kamara over the line and I'd have thought those would never happen either. Mmm. Digne we got just due to Benitez being an idiot really, and I'm not particularly impressed by getting Coutinho, I'm sure Barcelona were happy for him to go out on loan. Kamara I agree is an impressive signing that might have been 'out of our league' in some way. 36 minutes ago, dubbs said: You don't win the lottery if you don't buy a ticket and IMO there was more chance of signing those types of players than winning the lotto! This is true, but there are two potential costs IMO. The first is opportunity cost, that if we spend time pursuing impossible signings we don't spend the time getting possible ones over the line (maybe we could make that argument re centre mids over the last 12 months, including Bentancur?) The second is that we might end up looking ridiculous, and that top players might come to regard us as a bit of a joke. To be honest I think the first is a bigger risk than the second - money is money, at the end of the day - but I'd at least be a bit concerned about these possibilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 Just now, HanoiVillan said: Mmm. Digne we got just due to Benitez being an idiot really, and I'm not particularly impressed by getting Coutinho, I'm sure Barcelona were happy for him to go out on loan. Kamara I agree is an impressive signing that might have been 'out of our league' in some way. This is true, but there are two potential costs IMO. The first is opportunity cost, that if we spend time pursuing impossible signings we don't spend the time getting possible ones over the line (maybe we could make that argument re centre mids over the last 12 months, including Bentancur?) The second is that we might end up looking ridiculous, and that top players might come to regard us as a bit of a joke. To be honest I think the first is a bigger risk than the second - money is money, at the end of the day - but I'd at least be a bit concerned about these possibilities. Whatever the reason was that pushed him out of Everton, I'd have never thought he'd come to Villa of all places. I thought he was going to Chelsea. He was the best LB in the league after Robertson for a good 3 years. Coutinho isn't looking so great right now but at the time it was mind boggling that he came here and then signed permanently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 It's more bizarre how we went after Bissouma AND Bentancur in January....and now seem to have totally given up on another midfielder and seemingly just happy for Luiz to stay and run his contract down from the bench. As we've seen with our other big summer signing one injury to Kamara and we're just back to square one in midfield so really not sure what's happened since the summer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 Best midfielder in the league right now. To think we'd almost had him for £12m. Would have been amazing with Dougie and Bouba. But the English speaking Juve fans on Twitter said he was no good though so it's ok. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Keyblade said: Best midfielder in the league right now. To think we'd almost had him for £12m. Would have been amazing with Dougie and Bouba. But the English speaking Juve fans on Twitter said he was no good though so it's ok. Some Villa fans said he was garbage and Bissouma was better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 2 hours ago, Keyblade said: Best midfielder in the league right now. To think we'd almost had him for £12m. Would have been amazing with Dougie and Bouba. But the English speaking Juve fans on Twitter said he was no good though so it's ok. Think it was more in the £15-20m window. Still don't think he's what we needed. Don't think he'd get in ahead of Kamara or Doug. I'd rather have signed him than Daddy Donker obviously, yes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 6 minutes ago, Tomaszk said: Think it was more in the £15-20m window. Still don't think he's what we needed. Don't think he'd get in ahead of Kamara or Doug. I'd rather have signed him than Daddy Donker obviously, yes. He would have been fine....the trainee would have ruined him as an impact sub while McGinn runs around 5 yards after each pass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Zatman said: Some Villa fans said he was garbage and Bissouma was better I think Bissouma would've done a decent job for us, looks out of his depth at Spurs though. Probably because they're playing him a bit more advanced and he's really not that good when approaching the penalty area. Both are better than 2022 McGinn by a considerable difference. Edited November 12, 2022 by VillaChris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 17 minutes ago, Tomaszk said: Think it was more in the £15-20m window. Still don't think he's what we needed. Don't think he'd get in ahead of Kamara or Doug. I'd rather have signed him than Daddy Donker obviously, yes. He's better than Doug who's good on his day but we know after three seasons lacks consistency. Hopefully at least him working under Emery will tweak out the flaws in his game a bit more. What's surprising me is Bentancur being a decent goal threat. Sure he was just scoring one a season at Juventus and he plays a restrictive role for Uruguay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 Just now, VillaChris said: I think Bissouma would've done a decent job for us, looks out of his depth at Spurs though. Probably because they're playing him a bit more advanced and he's really not that good when approaching the penalty area. Both are better than 2022 McGinn by a considerable difference. He is not really good at all, he has gained hype for the odd performance vs a big team. McGinn dominated him at Brighton last season Like Sidwell who looked good at a midtable team when the cameras rolled but he really wasnt all that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 Very classy player. Wonder why some Juventus fans didn't rate him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaJ100 Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 On 16/08/2022 at 18:10, HanoiVillan said: Mmm. Digne we got just due to Benitez being an idiot really, and I'm not particularly impressed by getting Coutinho, I'm sure Barcelona were happy for him to go out on loan. Kamara I agree is an impressive signing that might have been 'out of our league' in some way. This is true, but there are two potential costs IMO. The first is opportunity cost, that if we spend time pursuing impossible signings we don't spend the time getting possible ones over the line (maybe we could make that argument re centre mids over the last 12 months, including Bentancur?) The second is that we might end up looking ridiculous, and that top players might come to regard us as a bit of a joke. To be honest I think the first is a bigger risk than the second - money is money, at the end of the day - but I'd at least be a bit concerned about these possibilities. Wasn't it an urban legend when Beckham was surplus to requirements at man u we put a bid in for like £2 mil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steero113 Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 14 hours ago, maqroll said: Very classy player. Wonder why some Juventus fans didn't rate him. Juve fans are the Man United fans of Italy. Say no more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMightyVillans Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 Been impressed by him. Got a lot more pace and physicality than I thought he did. Now he even scores goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, TheMightyVillans said: Been impressed by him. Got a lot more pace and physicality than I thought he did. Now he even scores goals. He has scored more goals for Spurs than he did in his entire career so far Premier League = Farmers League. Edited November 14, 2022 by Zatman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 3 hours ago, Steero113 said: Juve fans are the Man United fans of Italy. Say no more. From what I saw of them it was a case of here's where they should be in world football and he wasn't good enough to play at that level The fact that they thought they should be CL winners and they are nowhere near that was lost on them Would be like us in mid table moaning about having bentacur in our team because he's not good enough to win us the league...was going to say I can't believe some of us went along with it but unfortunately I can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 Remember when we were all excited about him coming to Villa, and once he went to spurs some fans said he isn't that good anyway? I call it the 'before-he-signed-the-new-deal-Douglas-Luiz Syndrome'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwi1890 Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 13 minutes ago, Mic09 said: Remember when we were all excited about him coming to Villa, and once he went to spurs some fans said he isn't that good anyway? I call it the 'before-he-signed-the-new-deal-Douglas-Luiz Syndrome'. I for the most part remember most here thinking he was crap because of what they read on Juventus forum. How wrong were they . The thin one truly is great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts