The Fun Factory Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 (edited) I think his confidence is shot now. I just hope Martinez doesn't get injured or that would be a major problem. Him or Watkins getting crocked could ruin the season as we have no decent alternatives. Edited November 17, 2023 by The Fun Factory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy7211 Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 Wider point on GK's in general, but there's a real dearth of quality goalies at the moment. Some of the no1's for top clubs around Europe aren't a patch on the luminaries that came before them. Most of the backups that we'd probably consider decent are going to be getting 1st team football currently. Look at Chelsea, they've got Sanchez, and he's awful. Isn't Szczeney still no1 at Juve? A good backup GK is probably the hardest position to fill in world football. It's probably because most clubs want a keeper who can play out from the back, and that's a skillset that not many have. It wasn't long ago only Neuer could do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 On 17/11/2023 at 14:15, Tom13 said: Very few (if any?) clubs have a player of that profile as backup though. Arsenal currently have Ramsdale but there's no way he'll be staying long or even short-medium term if he remains a backup. And look at the absolute mess that is causing 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted November 19, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted November 19, 2023 He’s being harshly criticised for that halfway line goal. He’s shit. But for that specific goal it’s hard to see what he’s done wrong 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 6 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: He’s being harshly criticised for that halfway line goal. He’s shit. But for that specific goal it’s hard to see what he’s done wrong The other 2 where probably worse. First one his positioning when he ran out was terrible and he somehow made himself smaller so almost the whole goal was open to the attacker, albeit from a poor angle. The second one he didn't even try to save. Just stood there while the ball bounced into the goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powehi Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 On 17/11/2023 at 21:20, Lerner's Driver said: Weird how this guy earns a Premier League living and plays for his country. In my opinion, there is no validity to the 'It's virtually impossible to find a good backup keeper' argument. I get that it's difficult, but it can't be Robin Olsen level difficult. We've certainly had talented young keepers in the past, so surely we should be churning them out, or at least signing them up as we have done with young talent in other positions. Gotta be better than waiting for the Olsen rick. Robin Olsen is not the answer to any goalkeeping related question, apart from 'who should you play in goal if you want to give the opposition hope by spooking your own defence'? He sticks out as a weak link like a massive sore It's honestly driving me insane at the moment. Its suddenly become the standard template answer - "oh who decent would come to us to be a backup." Answer: Lots of Championship number 1s, young starlets playing in more minor European league, an Argentinian league number 1 maybe with the Emi understudy connection. With the dual factors of a) learning from Emi and b) having the opportunity to replace him if he does ever leave us for a 'bigger' team, I genuinely feel we're selling ourselves well short by accepting that Olsen is the best we can get for that role. We can do way better with what we can offer. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 I think it’s universally accepted we need a better number 2 and the fact he hasn’t featured in any European game since he last played suggests the club feel the same way. However even if we get one in January regardless of who it is it will be a massive downgrade on the official best keeper in the world. So hopefully he stays fit for the whole season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 (edited) On 17/11/2023 at 16:06, Jonesy7211 said: Wider point on GK's in general, but there's a real dearth of quality goalies at the moment. Some of the no1's for top clubs around Europe aren't a patch on the luminaries that came before them. Most of the backups that we'd probably consider decent are going to be getting 1st team football currently. Look at Chelsea, they've got Sanchez, and he's awful. Isn't Szczeney still no1 at Juve? A good backup GK is probably the hardest position to fill in world football. It's probably because most clubs want a keeper who can play out from the back, and that's a skillset that not many have. It wasn't long ago only Neuer could do that. That's a fair point. It makes it even harder to come into the team to both manage the back line and also take part in the football possession. Edited November 20, 2023 by The Fun Factory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 14 hours ago, Powehi said: It's honestly driving me insane at the moment. Its suddenly become the standard template answer - "oh who decent would come to us to be a backup." Answer: Lots of Championship number 1s, young starlets playing in more minor European league, an Argentinian league number 1 maybe with the Emi understudy connection. With the dual factors of a) learning from Emi and b) having the opportunity to replace him if he does ever leave us for a 'bigger' team, I genuinely feel we're selling ourselves well short by accepting that Olsen is the best we can get for that role. We can do way better with what we can offer. yet we havent went for anybody else for that position. Lange and Monchi plus Emery and his goalkeeping coaches havent found a backup keeper 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 14 hours ago, Powehi said: It's honestly driving me insane at the moment. Its suddenly become the standard template answer - "oh who decent would come to us to be a backup." Answer: Lots of Championship number 1s, young starlets playing in more minor European league, an Argentinian league number 1 maybe with the Emi understudy connection. With the dual factors of a) learning from Emi and b) having the opportunity to replace him if he does ever leave us for a 'bigger' team, I genuinely feel we're selling ourselves well short by accepting that Olsen is the best we can get for that role. We can do way better with what we can offer. He wasn't thought to be good enough for a Championship club. He's not very good at any aspect of the goalkeeping art, and worse for us he's especially poor with the ball at his feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 On 20/11/2023 at 03:33, Powehi said: It's honestly driving me insane at the moment. Its suddenly become the standard template answer - "oh who decent would come to us to be a backup." Answer: Lots of Championship number 1s, young starlets playing in more minor European league, an Argentinian league number 1 maybe with the Emi understudy connection. With the dual factors of a) learning from Emi and b) having the opportunity to replace him if he does ever leave us for a 'bigger' team, I genuinely feel we're selling ourselves well short by accepting that Olsen is the best we can get for that role. We can do way better with what we can offer. How many clubs have a backup keeper who might genuinely replace their number 1 at some point? If a club does have that, they're likely out on loan playing somewhere or just leave. See Dean Henderson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 42 minutes ago, Tom13 said: How many clubs have a backup keeper who might genuinely replace their number 1 at some point? If a club does have that, they're likely out on loan playing somewhere or just leave. See Dean Henderson. While I accept this logic, we can still get better than Olsen. He's absolutely diabolical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted November 23, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted November 23, 2023 6 hours ago, Tom13 said: How many clubs have a backup keeper who might genuinely replace their number 1 at some point? If a club does have that, they're likely out on loan playing somewhere or just leave. See Dean Henderson. Ok, but how many clubs aiming for CL in the near future would try it with Olsen as their backup goalkeeper? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 Please Get Rid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_Villain Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 Such a shame. He seems likeable enough - but for all of his effort, he is way off what we require and we just can’t rely on him… My stomach turns every time I see his name on a team sheet in a playing capacity. We do need to improve on him though, but it’s not nice seeing him get dogs abuse… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, DJ_Villain said: My stomach turns every time I see his name on a team sheet in a playing capacity. Would you be disappointed or relieved if 'Olsen' on the team sheet turned out to be Mary-Kate or Ashley instead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_Villain Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 21 hours ago, Tom13 said: Would you be disappointed or relieved if 'Olsen' on the team sheet turned out to be Mary-Kate or Ashley instead? Depends… Ok, they are easy on the eye… but can they catch an inswinging corner in a crowded penalty area? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 21 hours ago, Tom13 said: Would you be disappointed or relieved if 'Olsen' on the team sheet turned out to be Mary-Kate or Ashley instead? Elizabeth please 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 On 23/11/2023 at 15:22, romavillan said: Ok, but how many clubs aiming for CL in the near future would try it with Olsen as their backup goalkeeper? Liverpool won the league with Adrian as their backup keeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul514 Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 What is there to say about Olsen? We all agree he is crap and should be replaced, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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