The_Steve Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Called it. Disaster of a signing in the end. Was it? The signing massively boosted our profile. And despite the huge limitations of Gerrard’s tactics still came up with some crucial goals, robbed of a potential match winner against City due to some terrible officiating. He’s not always been the brightest but he’s just as a big of a victim of the previous manager as any. For £17m I would not call him a flop at all. Edited December 20, 2022 by The_Steve 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted December 20, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted December 20, 2022 Just now, The_Steve said: Was it? The signing massively boasted our profile. And despite the huge limitations of Gerrard’s tactics still came up with some crucial goals, robbed of a potential match winner against City due to some terrible officiating. He’s not always been the brightest but he’s just as a big of a victim of the previous manager as any. For £17m I would not call him a flop at all. He's a victim of the previous manager for sure, which is why i said I'd like to see him given a chance under the new manager. There is talent there. I just don't think he's interested in playing for Villa without Gerrard here. Given the expectations we had for him, he absolutely is a flop if he ends up going in jan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 Just now, Stevo985 said: He's a victim of the previous manager for sure, which is why i said I'd like to see him given a chance under the new manager. There is talent there. I just don't think he's interested in playing for Villa without Gerrard here. Given the expectations we had for him, he absolutely is a flop if he ends up going in jan I still slightly disagree on the flop part, I think it would be wasted possibilities if he does leave so I agree with that part. But if it works for both parties, I’m not against it. I’d like him to stay and prove some of the doubters wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted December 20, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted December 20, 2022 The parallels with James Rodriguez at Everton are very clear 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hev Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 Is there any substance whatsoever to the rumours. Ive not seen anything suggesting he wants to leave - he looked happy enough at the childrens hospital earlier. Is this just lazy assumptions that because his so called mate Gerrard has gone that he's not interested any more? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted December 20, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted December 20, 2022 He's got the feet, remains to be seen whether he can be arsed. If he can't then he can **** off to China or some other money filled minor league. He clearly took a big pay cut to come here and play though and when he's fit he'll get a chance in a much more well functioning team that should suit him if he's prepared to put a shift in. By no means a lost cause yet at all. Up to him to make the most of his talent otherwise the decision to take a pay cut to come and play looks very odd as he could have cashed in big time elsewhere in the world if he really can't be arsed to try and fulfil his potential. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Delphinho123 Posted December 20, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 20, 2022 He may or may not leave but people calling him a flop. LOL. He was brilliant at times last season and most people on here were desperate to sign him in the Summer. Now, after a few poor performances under a manager where everybody was performing poorly, he’s this massive flop. Laughable. He’s better than Buendia. Whether or not he has the drive now Gerrard has left, is another matter. He gets a rough ride but you compare him to Bailey (£30m) and Buendia (£38m), he really isn’t a flop. Bailey was woeful for his first 12 months (albeit showing signs of improvement) and Buendia continues to put in average performances. Some of the comments on here are daft. I hope he comes back and shuts you all up. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 13 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: He's a victim of the previous manager for sure, which is why i said I'd like to see him given a chance under the new manager. There is talent there. I just don't think he's interested in playing for Villa without Gerrard here. Given the expectations we had for him, he absolutely is a flop if he ends up going in jan We have no idea as he almost immediately got injured and we have had a 6 week mid season break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 34 minutes ago, The_Steve said: Remember how we would never sign him and he’d go to Newcastle instead? The idea that nobody wanted Phil is laughably untrue. It’s just used to make some anti-Gerrard statement. I wish some would learn to let that go (not aimed at you btw, just generally speaking). Yet Newcastle have not signed one player matching the profile of Coutinho. Bale was also highly linked to teams with money and plays MLS now Was media guff which is funny since any rumour you shout down because of a poor journo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted December 20, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted December 20, 2022 22 minutes ago, Delphinho123 said: He may or may not leave but people calling him a flop. LOL. He was brilliant at times last season and most people on here were desperate to sign him in the Summer. Now, after a few poor performances under a manager where everybody was performing poorly, he’s this massive flop. Laughable. He’s better than Buendia. Whether or not he has the drive now Gerrard has left, is another matter. He gets a rough ride but you compare him to Bailey (£30m) and Buendia (£38m), he really isn’t a flop. Bailey was woeful for his first 12 months (albeit showing signs of improvement) and Buendia continues to put in average performances. Some of the comments on here are daft. I hope he comes back and shuts you all up. Nobody is saying he's a flop if he ends up getting back to his best and performing. I really hope that's what happens. Gerrard ruined everyone. I've just always had a feeling he'd leave once Gerrard left and now there are rumours suggesting the same. Just after he conveniently got injured until January. IF he ends up leaving in january without playing for us again, especially if we have to pay him off, then I don't see how he can be anything but a flop. He was good last season. But he was a loan. Since we signed him permanently he's been poor. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJBOB Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 Would just be immensely surprised if he stayed. Was hand picked by the last manager and is nowhere near a fit for any of the positions in UE's 4222. But if he did stay, I would really only see him as a sub when we're bogged down against a team in a low block. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 10 minutes ago, DJBOB said: Would just be immensely surprised if he stayed. Was hand picked by the last manager and is nowhere near a fit for any of the positions in UE's 4222. But if he did stay, I would really only see him as a sub when we're bogged down against a team in a low block. I think he could play off the left in the system with JJ or McGinn on Right and Bailey and Watkins up top. Just depends on if he has an opportunity to go to Brazil and wants to take it. Especially if we signed another wide player in January there's more competition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupinthe5th Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Delphinho123 said: He may or may not leave but people calling him a flop. LOL. He was brilliant at times last season and most people on here were desperate to sign him in the Summer. Now, after a few poor performances under a manager where everybody was performing poorly, he’s this massive flop. Laughable. He’s better than Buendia. Whether or not he has the drive now Gerrard has left, is another matter. He gets a rough ride but you compare him to Bailey (£30m) and Buendia (£38m), he really isn’t a flop. Bailey was woeful for his first 12 months (albeit showing signs of improvement) and Buendia continues to put in average performances. Some of the comments on here are daft. I hope he comes back and shuts you all up. Much better than Buendia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 6 minutes ago, Lupinthe5th said: Much better than Buendia I wouldn't say he's much better than Buendia, their stats are quite similar. There is not much to separate them, but for some reason Coutinho is demonized on here, whereas any criticism of Buendia is blasphemous. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 The lesson we must learn from this is not about the player. We must never let a manager completely change the direction of the squad the way we allowed Gerrard to, you didn't have to be Nostradamus to see this disaster coming. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don_Simon Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 2 hours ago, Stevo985 said: Called it. Disaster of a signing in the end. "Called it". Like it's now a nailed on cert. This forum is absolutely brilliant. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted December 20, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted December 20, 2022 8 minutes ago, Don_Simon said: "Called it". Like it's now a nailed on cert. This forum is absolutely brilliant. When did I say it was a nailed on cert. It was just a short way of saying this is what I and others predicted what would happen. I've already said I'd far rather he stayed and turned things around under the new manager. What exactly is the issue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinebro Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 Coutinho symbolizes the Gerrard era. Just for that alone it will be a relief to see him move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpTheVilla26 Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 He gave us a few glimpses of the brilliance he can produce but ultimately has been a bit of a let down. I've watched a lot of games, where he ambles about doing nothing. He's at the wrong end of a good career to need to prove himself and will probably suit the MLS or some Arabian League where he'd stand out a mile without putting the graft in. We won't be getting much of a fee I'd have thought but hopefully we've learnt a lesson with this signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thug Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 Aston Villa Football Club need this to work as much as the player himself. We need to be seen as a club where stars can resurrect their careers, not as a club for them to absolutely be finished off. Gotta give him a chance, and I would be delighted if he manages to turn this around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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