Steero113 Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 Just now, The Fun Factory said: Which makes his decline since then even more disappointing. It was a luxury signing but it wasn't a ridiculous signing given his first 6 months. His salary and 4 year contract were probably mistakes, if he was a 2 or 3 year contract it would be easier to shift by now. Yeah the 4 years was a mistake. At the time he deserved a contract though, he was pretty good during his loan spell. Not having others rewrite history to say he's was crap during that first 6 months, just not true. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted September 4, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted September 4, 2023 Just now, Steero113 said: Agree with most of that mate. But no club has ever reached a level where they only make good signings. It's not possible. All we can do is hope that the ratio is as strong as it can be towards good rather than bad. Yeah that’s what I’m saying, I suspect that there is this idea in some quarters that we reach a point where we become so adept in the market we don’t sign a dud for £30m again. It’s a fantasy. You probably can reach a point where a bad £30m signing is less likely, or at least it’s less catastrophic if the signing doesn’t work out. But it still happens. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 Thia clubs a joke at times. How does this benefit us a loan? They have the **** money tell them to buy him or stay here. Its pointless if no one else coming in 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post villa89 Posted September 4, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 4, 2023 1 minute ago, Demitri_C said: Thia clubs a joke at times. How does this benefit us a loan? Because they are paying us a loan fee and paying his wages. That's how it benefits us. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Thia clubs a joke at times. How does this benefit us a loan? They have the **** money tell them to buy him or stay here. Its pointless if no one else coming in It benefits us by £125k a week which around £5m for the year until June 2024. It also benefits us with a loan fee, let's guess at £2m. That's a £7 million benefit for the year for someone that probably wouldn't be good enough for PL games. That could be the difference between being able to buy a player than Emery/Monchi really wants in the January window or having to go for a cheaper option instead. Edited September 4, 2023 by ender4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 32 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Thia clubs a joke at times. How does this benefit us a loan? They have the **** money tell them to buy him or stay here. Its pointless if no one else coming in I think its hard for us, as football fans to be telling high level finance people how to manage finances. We need to stick to football, because we don't know enough of the financial aspects of the club, to form meaningful opinions. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 56 minutes ago, ender4 said: It benefits us by £125k a week which around £5m for the year until June 2024. It also benefits us with a loan fee, let's guess at £2m. That's a £7 million benefit for the year for someone that probably wouldn't be good enough for PL games. That could be the difference between being able to buy a player than Emery/Monchi really wants in the January window or having to go for a cheaper option instead. Id rather keep him for 7m. Then we have to pay his wages again next season Bad deal for us in my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farlz Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 2 hours ago, Steero113 said: 5 goals and 3 assists in 15 starts. He was good during his loan, that's why we bought him. It hasn't worked out afterwards because he's permacrocked. Don't rewrite history to suit your agenda. 5 of those 8 contributions came in 2 games. He was rubbish during his loan. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steero113 Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 1 minute ago, Farlz said: 5 of those 8 contributions came in 2 games. He was rubbish during his loan. Disagree massively. He was one of our best players during his loan and the general consensus even on here was positive. And we were managed by a dustman at the time as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 Few reports stating that the deal is until 2025… 2 year loan? His contract with Villa expires on June 30 2026 - It’s undeniable that we gave stupid, long, expensive contracts to Digne (25m transfer fee?) and Coutinho (17m?)… under SG and CP. The deals should’ve been shorter considering their age and Phil’s injury proneness… Two mistakes that the club are trying to rectify now… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 9 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Id rather keep him for 7m. Then we have to pay his wages again next season Bad deal for us in my opinion Bad deal was buying him, nobody in Europe except Dumb and Dumber wanted him on a permanent deal and now a year later a nobody club in mega rich Qatar think a loan is all he is worth 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don_Simon Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 11 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Id rather keep him for 7m. Then we have to pay his wages again next season Bad deal for us in my opinion Thankfully you're as far from making decision at Villa as I am from marrying Jennifer Lawrence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferguson1 Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 Monchi and club aren’t going to allow us to get rinsed here, but they’re probably making the best of a bad deal. It hasn’t worked, he’s not going to play regularly in the Premier League, so best we receive some of our initial outlay back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Jas10 said: Few reports stating that the deal is until 2025… 2 year loan? Not surprised, needs to be more than a year for him to get the personal tax benefits of that country. Same for those going to Saudi, it needs to be minimum two years to get the tax advantages I believe. Edited September 4, 2023 by nick76 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czarnikjak Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Id rather keep him for 7m. Then we have to pay his wages again next season Bad deal for us in my opinion Lol, you would rather keep him so he can spend another year on the treatment table while we pay £7m for this privilege? Edited September 4, 2023 by Czarnikjak 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calcifer Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 In a year where the Saudis are throwing Monday at some bang average players. (Saint Max) We get the county that doesnt want to splash out. Yes his wage bill is off the book, how is that going to help us if we get some more injuries between now and Jan (please don't say it won't happen because look at out awful luck so far) Would have been a useful player to have in the squad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, calcifer said: In a year where the Saudis are throwing Monday at some bang average players. (Saint Max) We get the county that doesnt want to splash out. Yes his wage bill is off the book, how is that going to help us if we get some more injuries between now and Jan (please don't say it won't happen because look at out awful luck so far) Would have been a useful player to have in the squad. Since he is hardly involved I am not sure what use he would be if we do get injuries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czarnikjak Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, Zatman said: Since he is hardly involved I am not sure what use he would be if we do get injuries He could be a good company to other injured players in the treatment room. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 57 minutes ago, Don_Simon said: Thankfully you're as far from making decision at Villa as I am from marrying Jennifer Lawrence. Good one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 38 minutes ago, Czarnikjak said: Lol, you would rather keep him so he can spend another year on the treatment table while we pay £7m for this privilege? Yes i would. Whats 7m? Its peanuts. If you get coutinho fit he adds something to this team 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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