ChicagoVillan1983 Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 I'm sure the (exceptionally savvy) team took the best deal on the table and decided that was better than keeping him. Seems like decent business to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sulberto21 Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 2 hours ago, Pinebro said: Mbappe would generate massive amounts of money through shirt sales so not exactly like for like. Coutinho and Carlos has not contributed on the pitch and are just sucking out wages. On current evidence they are bad signings. Thanks for the laugh 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 7 hours ago, mole86 said: Luc Nilis was a waste of a salary as well, when will we learn We got 4 healthy seasons of Leandro Bacuna. What a signing if thats the way we judge now 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sulberto21 Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 2 minutes ago, Zatman said: We got 4 healthy seasons of Leandro Bacuna. What a signing if thats the way we judge now Leg end player…. But I wish Coutinho all the best. Unfortunately the gamble hasn’t paid off but it was worth it. A shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david-avfc Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 23 hours ago, Demitri_C said: Yes i would. Whats 7m? Its peanuts. If you get coutinho fit he adds something to this team 1 goal and 0 assists in 20 appearances last season and something like 2 goals and 0 assists in his last 33 for us. The reality is apart from a few great games when he initially joined 18 months ago he has simply not been anywhere near good enough. £7m+ in wages is not “peanuts” when it’s being wasted unnecessarily. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 (edited) I think Phil shows that talent alone, doesn't always work, unless it is accompanied by a whole host of other attributes. Its a shame, because talent alone, he is an artist.....but this league, demands more than just that. There is an array of defensive talent stopping guys like Phil, and you have to have the tool box to negate that. Edited September 5, 2023 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 22 minutes ago, david-avfc said: 1 goal and 0 assists in 20 appearances last season and something like 2 goals and 0 assists in his last 33 for us. The reality is apart from a few great games when he initially joined 18 months ago he has simply not been anywhere near good enough. £7m+ in wages is not “peanuts” when it’s being wasted unnecessarily. Pretty much this, the blind faith on him turning good is on name value alone If he was called Bailey or Traore people be demanding they be sold for peanuts. 2 players that have outperformed Coutinho for us in the last year 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 3 minutes ago, TRO said: I think Phil shows that talent alone, doesn't always work, unless it is accompanied by a whole host of other attributes. Its a shame, because talent alone, he is an artist.....but this league, demands more than just that. There is an array of defensive talent stopping guys like Phil, and you have to have the tool box to negate that. I don't think that's an accurate summary. You seem to be suggesting he's lacking a load of attributes. He has the desire, and the attitude as well from what we can tell. He took a massive wage cut to come here to play football and not sit in the nou camp's players lounge collecting even more money. The only attribute missing for him is the ability to stay fit. Which, is sadly, the critical aspect of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 26 minutes ago, MrBlack said: I don't think that's an accurate summary. You seem to be suggesting he's lacking a load of attributes. He has the desire, and the attitude as well from what we can tell. He took a massive wage cut to come here to play football and not sit in the nou camp's players lounge collecting even more money. The only attribute missing for him is the ability to stay fit. Which, is sadly, the critical aspect of him. If you think that, you are welcome to it. I think he is lacking some ( not a load) attributes, yes......and this league, demands them....not requests them an ability to make your talent, become effective to a team performance , requires a bit more than Phil has for this league.....thats a reluctant observation, I have....despite me drooling at his better moments. This league, requires a fair amount of physical aggression, even to the most talented players like Saka, Rashford, Haaland, Salah...just to pick out a few. No one is more appreciative of Phils talent, I was merely expanding the rationale as to why it hasn't worked.....If you think, it was injuries alone, you are welcome to that view....I don't. If you, forensically examine how his latest injury came about, you will see it was a push in the back, which he failed to ride out, without injuring himself.....it was very unfortunate for him, but the league requires more resillience than that,sadly. Phil Coutinho, is not a shirker, not a play actor, not a troublemaker or a salty sulker.....He is simply not durable enough for this arduous league. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 26 minutes ago, MrBlack said: I don't think that's an accurate summary. You seem to be suggesting he's lacking a load of attributes. He has the desire, and the attitude as well from what we can tell. He took a massive wage cut to come here to play football and not sit in the nou camp's players lounge collecting even more money. The only attribute missing for him is the ability to stay fit. Which, is sadly, the critical aspect of him. If you think that, you are welcome to it. I think he is lacking some ( not a load) attributes, yes......and this league, demands them....not requests them an ability to make your talent, become effective to a team performance , requires a bit more than Phil has for this league.....thats a reluctant observation, I have....despite me drooling at his better moments. This league, requires a fair amount of physical aggression, even to the most talented players like Saka, Rashford, Haaland, Salah...just to pick out a few. No one is more appreciative of Phils talent, I was merely expanding the rationale as to why it hasn't worked.....If you think, it was injuries alone, you are welcome to that view....I don't. If you, forensically examine how his latest injury came about, you will see it was a push in the back, which he failed to ride out, without injuring himself.....it was very unfortunate for him, but the league requires more resillience than that,sadly. Phil Coutinho, is not a shirker, not a play actor, not a troublemaker or a salty sulker.....He is simply not durable enough for this arduous league. Sorry. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Made In Aston Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 31 minutes ago, TRO said: If you think that, you are welcome to it. I think he is lacking some ( not a load) attributes, yes......and this league, demands them....not requests them an ability to make your talent, become effective to a team performance , requires a bit more than Phil has for this league.....thats a reluctant observation, I have....despite me drooling at his better moments. This league, requires a fair amount of physical aggression, even to the most talented players like Saka, Rashford, Haaland, Salah...just to pick out a few. No one is more appreciative of Phils talent, I was merely expanding the rationale as to why it hasn't worked.....If you think, it was injuries alone, you are welcome to that view....I don't. If you, forensically examine how his latest injury came about, you will see it was a push in the back, which he failed to ride out, without injuring himself.....it was very unfortunate for him, but the league requires more resillience than that,sadly. Phil Coutinho, is not a shirker, not a play actor, not a troublemaker or a salty sulker.....He is simply not durable enough for this arduous league. Sorry. If Phil was able to get a prolonged run of games I think his performances would be good enough. However everytime Phil pushes himself to get to that level he gets injured. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 19 minutes ago, Made In Aston said: If Phil was able to get a prolonged run of games I think his performances would be good enough. However everytime Phil pushes himself to get to that level he gets injured. You might be right...because when he first come, he was mustard. This is not a loaded question....but why do you think he is injured so often?......do you think there might be a legitimate reason for it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 59 minutes ago, TRO said: If you think that, you are welcome to it. I think he is lacking some ( not a load) attributes, yes......and this league, demands them....not requests them an ability to make your talent, become effective to a team performance , requires a bit more than Phil has for this league.....thats a reluctant observation, I have....despite me drooling at his better moments. This league, requires a fair amount of physical aggression, even to the most talented players like Saka, Rashford, Haaland, Salah...just to pick out a few. No one is more appreciative of Phils talent, I was merely expanding the rationale as to why it hasn't worked.....If you think, it was injuries alone, you are welcome to that view....I don't. If you, forensically examine how his latest injury came about, you will see it was a push in the back, which he failed to ride out, without injuring himself.....it was very unfortunate for him, but the league requires more resillience than that,sadly. Phil Coutinho, is not a shirker, not a play actor, not a troublemaker or a salty sulker.....He is simply not durable enough for this arduous league. Sorry. No need to apologise, I agree its the durability that let's him down... but you said this Quote work, unless it is accompanied by a whole host of other attributes. Its a shame, because talent alone, he is an artist.....but this league, demands more than just that. If you don't think that suggests you're saying he is missing a whole host of attributes and that he only has talent and nothing else, then you will mislead a lot of posters, in my opinion. Yes it's inferred by me, but you are definitely implying it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 10 minutes ago, MrBlack said: No need to apologise, I agree its the durability that let's him down... but you said this If you don't think that suggests you're saying he is missing a whole host of attributes and that he only has talent and nothing else, then you will mislead a lot of posters, in my opinion. Yes it's inferred by me, but you are definitely implying it. I didn't want to pee on your chips. I apologise in advance for misleading any posters....but I reiterate, some attributes, not a whole host of them.....A whole host of them might render him a Stephen Ireland, and he is certainly not in that camp....just my take of course. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Made In Aston Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 1 hour ago, TRO said: You might be right...because when he first come, he was mustard. This is not a loaded question....but why do you think he is injured so often?......do you think there might be a legitimate reason for it? The physical demands to play in the PL are higher than any other league. As Phil is now made is paper, when he pushes himself to the levels required he gets injured. Playing in UAE might be good for him, as he doesn't have to push his body over it's limit and shouldn't get injured as often. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomC Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 8 hours ago, VillaJ100 said: We don't make money through shirt sales. No modern club does It may not be big money, but they must be making something or they wouldn't be selling them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaJ100 Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, TomC said: It may not be big money, but they must be making something or they wouldn't be selling them. Basically we sell the rights to take the profit from our shirt sales to fanatics. Would probably make more but doing that gives a fixed amount for accounts they can budget against. A big sea change in the amount of shirts being sold due to signing Messi etc might call for an early renegotiation but otherwise we can't ask for a fee increase until contract is up. The only clubs with this sort of deal AND still get money off shirt sales are like Man U who get like 10% of a shirts profit on top Edited September 6, 2023 by VillaJ100 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicagoVillan1983 Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 We bet a decent amount before the flop on Coutinho. We get to fold our had after a nasty looking flop for us, but we live to fight on. That's gambling - which is a massive part of signing a new player. Sometimes you just have bad luck... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillon66 Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 18 hours ago, mole86 said: Luc Nilis was a waste of a salary as well, when will we learn ........we should have learned after Ivo Stas....it's just not good enough Tom. Can I have a Bronx hat ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 13 hours ago, Made In Aston said: The physical demands to play in the PL are higher than any other league. As Phil is now made is paper, when he pushes himself to the levels required he gets injured. Playing in UAE might be good for him, as he doesn't have to push his body over it's limit and shouldn't get injured as often. my sentiments entirely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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