OutByEaster? Posted July 24, 2022 Moderator Share Posted July 24, 2022 3 hours ago, Delphinho123 said: Could we try Coutinho as an 8 alongside Ramsey with Kamara behind? It would allow us to play both Bailey and Buendia… Coutinho as an 8 with Luiz and Kamara behind might work as a midfield - but I'm not sure which three you'd play in front of them. We have a ten, two strikers and a right winger - I'm not particularly in favour of playing a ten in front of Coutinho as an eight or in favour of playing with a single winger. For me - it should be Kamara and Luiz with McGinn or Ramsey in front of them and then either Coutinho left and Bailey or Buendia right with one of the front two Or it should be Kamara and Luiz with McGinn or Ramsey in front of them, Coutinho as a ten and two strikers - we might get away with Bailey as a striker but he'll need to be free to wander Or it should be Kamara and Luiz with McGinn or Ramsey in front of them, Coutinho and Buendia as a pair of tens and a single striker. If I had to choose I'd leave Coutinho as a ten and go: --------------------------Watkins--------------------------- ---------Coutinho--------------------Buendia---------- ---------------------------McGinn--------------------------- -----------------Luiz------------------Kamara------------ With Bailey as an impact sub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilko154 Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 It's clear that we now know Coutinho's strengths and weaknesses against various opposition. He's largely anonymous away from home. He suits games where we see a lot of possession, or where he is given space. That's not to say he's useless in big games, against United at Villa Park he came on and exploited the space he was given perfectly. What he needs is space, and a team around him that allow it. It's the Grealish problem all over again, everything is trying to go through Coutinho. There needs to be some balance to the side and both Buendia or Bailey will allow that. A midfield who can control the possession, dictate play, and allow Coutinho to stay further up the pitch in dangerous positions will also help. For me Douglas Luiz is the player that will help this, playing in the 8 role. He'll be fine this season; but we need to use him effectively. And not use him when we know he won't have the required impact. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BleedClaretAndBlue Posted July 24, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 24, 2022 We need to get our 3 most dangerous players on the pitch at once. Bailey, Buendia, Coutinho. The best way is Deano’s old 4-2-3-1. Kamara and Doug behind the aforementioned three is something we should trial at Rennes 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 9 minutes ago, BleedClaretAndBlue said: We need to get our 3 most dangerous players on the pitch at once. Bailey, Buendia, Coutinho. The best way is Deano’s old 4-2-3-1. Kamara and Doug behind the aforementioned three is something we should trial at Rennes Although i would debate a slight variance on your offer, in principle i 100% agree with your sentiment. However, you know it aint gonna happen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 58 minutes ago, BleedClaretAndBlue said: We need to get our 3 most dangerous players on the pitch at once. Bailey, Buendia, Coutinho. The best way is Deano’s old 4-2-3-1. Kamara and Doug behind the aforementioned three is something we should trial at Rennes I think we’d need another defensive midfielder to play this. Luiz isn’t that albeit I think he’ll improve if he plays as an 8. If we go out and get an out and out defensive mid, like a Sangare or an Ndidi then I can see us maybe giving it a go. The problem with any formation anybody suggests is that Gerrard will never not play a system where the fullbacks play almost as wide forwards. Our fullbacks bomb on, and that’s the way it will always be unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaslash Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 7 hours ago, BleedClaretAndBlue said: We need to get our 3 most dangerous players on the pitch at once. Bailey, Buendia, Coutinho. The best way is Deano’s old 4-2-3-1. Kamara and Doug behind the aforementioned three is something we should trial at Rennes I would agree but put Sanson in for Luiz alongside Kamara. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante_Lockhart Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 Couldn't hit a crossbar. First out in the flinch game. He's done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steero113 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Dante_Lockhart said: Couldn't hit a crossbar. First out in the flinch game. He's done. Keep fishin, someone will bite. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam-AVFC Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, Steero113 said: Keep fishin, someone will bite. It's clearly a joke. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steero113 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 10 minutes ago, Sam-AVFC said: It's clearly a joke. Given the amount of total bollocks on here in 95% of threads, I’m not convinced it is you know… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 5 hours ago, Dante_Lockhart said: Couldn't hit a crossbar. First out in the flinch game. He's done. Makes you wonder what they're teaching these kids in the favelas I'm willing to give him a bit more time but if the club put a video out of him being shit at kerby get rid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PussEKatt Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 IMHO he should be backup to Emi,or play the 2 together in the same lineup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post IrishVilla10 Posted July 25, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 25, 2022 32 minutes ago, PussEKatt said: IMHO he should be backup to Emi,or play the 2 together in the same lineup. I wish we tried to make Emi and coutinho work as much as we have with Ings and Ollie 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 2 hours ago, PussEKatt said: IMHO he should be backup to Emi,or play the 2 together in the same lineup. I think so. In their peak Coutinho all day phenomenal player but he's slowed down remarkably. He's still a joy to watch and he's done things last year that I've not seen in decades at VP. But last season he was starting games he shouldn't have been starting. He's a luxury player. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 It's such a strange one for me. He's capable of moments no one else in the squad could do, and I've no doubt he will win us games or get us points because of those moments. But over a 90 minute game, I've rarely, if ever, seen him control or consistently impact the game. So I'm conflicted between are those moments worth all the minutes where he does very little? Are we a better team when he starts and plays the majority of games. I'm just not convinced we are. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishVilla10 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 (edited) Would love to see him in a 4231 on the left with Buendia middle and bailey on the right. Too many times at the weekend he was getting the ball in central positions and Ollie and Ings are wide, what is the point in that. Hopefully we see a change vs Rennes Edited July 25, 2022 by IrishVilla10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 24 minutes ago, IrishVilla10 said: Would love to see him in a 4231 on the left with Buendia middle and bailey on the right. Too many times at the weekend he was getting the ball in central positions and Ollie and Ings are wide, what is the point in that. Hopefully we see a change vs Rennes Digne would get absolutely roasted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishVilla10 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, rodders0223 said: Digne would get absolutely roasted. Would be though? Kamara covers the left and it’s not like he doesn’t drop back himself anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 I really have had enough of the 2 up top thing. I think it is preventing us utilising our best players. Give the responsibility to one of our strikers; if it ain't working, use one of the 5 subs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejs1111 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 We cannot play a 4231. People need to stop calling for it. That is not our system. Period. We have gone several windows without upgrading or signing wingers for that system. Our FBs would get rinsed. Plus, our midfield would get absolutely overrun every game with only 2 players in the midfield. Especially given how much SG wants the FBs to push high and out CMs to fan out to help cover. We use a 3 man midfield now and ppl complain how we need to sign a ANOTHER CM because we aren't strong enough. Now ppl want to just remove one player from the midfield entirely?? VT madness. Best case scenario for our offensive players that everyone is clamoring for... 2 of the 3 will play every match between Coutinho, Buendia, and Bailey. Personally I think Bailey should be nailed on 1st11 given his pace and preseason performances. I'd also have Buendia over Coutinho based on performances and the graft Emi shows defensively. Watkins over Ings for me due to his work rate and his double figure goal return the past 2 seasons. My 2 cents 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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