Tomaszk Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 2 hours ago, jim said: But he has been an awful appointment? Wouldn't say awful no. Fact is, we're an absolute dream to manage at the moment. Looks like you'll be backed with almost all available money every window. Immediate improvement is to be expected. Hopefully he'll be looked back on as a Pochettino-like appointment who will lift us up a few levels. No reason we shouldn't be battling with those like West Ham and Spurs. And for my money, they are so so close to Utd/Arsenal, with a good season anyone surprising could nick 4th. UTV 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 4 minutes ago, Tomaszk said: Wouldn't say awful no. Fact is, we're an absolute dream to manage at the moment. Looks like you'll be backed with almost all available money every window. Immediate improvement is to be expected. Hopefully he'll be looked back on as a Pochettino-like appointment who will lift us up a few levels. No reason we shouldn't be battling with those like West Ham and Spurs. And for my money, they are so so close to Utd/Arsenal, with a good season anyone surprising could nick 4th. UTV Certainly worn money available - the current crop of youngsters - indeed the starting 11 is a very good base from which build. Villa managers job is a better prospect than for a good few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 22 hours ago, hippo said: You've got options mate. I know the timescale is short - but should we flounder for the rest of this season entrusting a rookie manager with a full rebuild would be borderline negligence imo. Leeds have just dispensed with an experienced manager, so I'm not sure, what rookie has to do with it.....Steve Bruce was expereienced too. We have to give him time, Hippo. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvonVillain Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 Interesting comments after the game by Gerrard about playing Watkins and Ings. Big 3 points that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 25 minutes ago, TRO said: Leeds have just dispensed with an experienced manager, so I'm not sure, what rookie has to do with it.....Steve Bruce was expereienced too. We have to give him time, Hippo. Exactly, look at Arsenal. They stuck by their rookie and it appears to be paying off. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 7 hours ago, jim said: Exactly, look at Arsenal. They stuck by their rookie and it appears to be paying off. Excellent point. Patience is invariably rewarded. It amazes me how quickly some lose faith. I mean, was it ever going to be just plain sailing? You can see from the demeanour of the players that they feel their in good hands. I'm quietly confident that come next season, we'll be a totally different animal, like a cat amongst pigeons. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 12 hours ago, jim said: But he has been an awful appointment? Care to explain how? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Davkaus Posted February 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 27, 2022 55 minutes ago, sheepyvillian said: Excellent point. Patience is invariably rewarded. This just isn't true, a crap manager doesn't become a good manager just because you keep the faith. I'm not suggesting Gerrard is an example of one, but patience for patience's sake is how you waste years on a failed tenure. Why didn't we just stick with Smith for a few more years if patience is invariably rewarded? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A'Villan Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Davkaus said: This just isn't true, a crap manager doesn't become a good manager just because you keep the faith. I'm not suggesting Gerrard is an example of one, but patience for patience's sake is how you waste years on a failed tenure. Why didn't we just stick with Smith for a few more years if patience is invariably rewarded? I think the answer to your question, at least from my limited understanding, is because Purslow or whomever, is of the mind we had the opportunity to bring in someone of a higher ceiling and calibre. So as far as dismissing the notion that patience leads to beneficial results as untrue, I think you might want to check again, because I think it is your insinuation that is not striking true. @sheepyvillian was your point more about making allowances for the implementation and development of ideas and plans to be brought in to practice? And not so much about waiting idly only to ignore obvious signs of the team not reaching what was initially desired and expected? Edited February 28, 2022 by A'Villan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul514 Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 2 hours ago, Davkaus said: This just isn't true, a crap manager doesn't become a good manager just because you keep the faith. I'm not suggesting Gerrard is an example of one, but patience for patience's sake is how you waste years on a failed tenure. Why didn't we just stick with Smith for a few more years if patience is invariably rewarded? to be honest at the moment I would prefer Smith as manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 1 hour ago, A'Villan said: I think the answer to your question, at least from my limited understanding, is because Purslow or whomever, is of the mind we had the opportunity to bring in someone of a higher ceiling and calibre. So as far as dismissing the notion that patience leads to beneficial results as untrue, I think you might want to check again, because I think it is your insinuation that is not striking true. @sheepyvillian was your point more about making allowances for the implementation and development of ideas and plans to be brought in to practice? And not so much about waiting idly only to ignore obvious signs of the team not reaching what was initially desired and expected? I would have been happy for the club to stick with Smith. The fact is, he's no longer with us. Arsenal are a perfect example of reaping the reward for showing patience and persevering with a manager even when the majority are calling for his head. Of course SG needs more time to achieve his aim of creating a Villa side that not only wins in style, but does it consistently. That was what eluded Smith when we reached the Premier league. We lacked consistency. I'm confident, with time, SG will be a success. I liked his phrase about "noise". He won't be deterred by haters, that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Davkaus said: This just isn't true, a crap manager doesn't become a good manager just because you keep the faith. I'm not suggesting Gerrard is an example of one, but patience for patience's sake is how you waste years on a failed tenure. Why didn't we just stick with Smith for a few more years if patience is invariably rewarded? We appointed Gerrard in the belief that he has the capabilities as a manager to take our club forward. Surely a requirement of that belief is "patience ". Edited February 28, 2022 by sheepyvillian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 7 minutes ago, Thug said: That doesn’t make sense. Why would a prerequisite of belief be ‘patience’. Why would you need patience before you can believe? Wrong word. My bad. Requirement would be the correct word. Time for an edit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thunderball Posted February 28, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 28, 2022 (edited) On 27/02/2022 at 11:40, Vive_La_Villa said: As many have said it’s the top 3, then you have 4-5 odd teams trying to break in to top 4 then you have the rest. You’ll have the odd really shit team like Norwich. Gerrard or whoever the next manager is has a job of breaking in to that second bunch of teams. It ain’t gonna be easy! We should start by becoming hard to beat. Still very open at the back, if we turn a hand full of our narrow defeats into draws or hold on to some winning positions and we are 8th. Gerrard still has that attitude Smith and most new managers to the division have when they arrive. This league is a grind and any errors get punished, and every team needs a bit of fairy dust. We have plenty of fairy dust, we just need a better mentality and discipline. Edited February 28, 2022 by thunderball 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam-AVFC Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 7 hours ago, A'Villan said: I think the answer to your question, at least from my limited understanding, is because Purslow or whomever, is of the mind we had the opportunity to bring in someone of a higher ceiling and calibre. So as far as dismissing the notion that patience leads to beneficial results as untrue, I think you might want to check again, because I think it is your insinuation that is not striking true. @sheepyvillian was your point more about making allowances for the implementation and development of ideas and plans to be brought in to practice? And not so much about waiting idly only to ignore obvious signs of the team not reaching what was initially desired and expected? There is no insinuation in what Davkaus wrote, neither was he arguing against patience as a virtue. Invariably means always. He is simply saying of course it doesn't always improve things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 12 hours ago, Tom13 said: Care to explain how? Losing to teams in the bottom 3, not won enough games, no where near living up to his salary and is a rookie. etc, etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 12 minutes ago, jim said: Losing to teams in the bottom 3, not won enough games, no where near living up to his salary and is a rookie. etc, etc... You can add persisting in a formation that clearly doesn't work. And having an average age of players signed of 29. Two of which will be earning more than anyone else at the club Still surprised you think he's awful, wouldn't go that far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 31 minutes ago, Zatman said: He doesn't, he is being sarcastic. He had a big dislike of Smith from his comments Surely not. Imagine not having enjoyed the best years in about 20 as a Villa fan because you didn't like the manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted February 28, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 28, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, jim said: Losing to teams in the bottom 3, not won enough games, no where near living up to his salary and is a rookie. etc, etc... His salary places him 12th in the League, based on the table which was posted in here a few days ago. ( We are currently 12th in the League with 1 - 2 games in hand on teams above us ). We were 15th/16th when he came in. We also beat 9th placed ( At the time ) Brighton twice , currently 11th place Crystal Palace ( They were 10th at the time - Ending there tremendous run of form ) , Everton, Leicester, Norwich, Drew with Manchester United and Leeds. So we actually just had a bad patch of form. With which even, we are 9th in the table based on form since he has been here. He's been here like 3 months? I won't allow facts to get in the way of a baseless | unreasonable conclusion though. lol Edited February 28, 2022 by JAMAICAN-VILLAN 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 We always seem to catch teams just as they've new managers appointed so they have the new manager bounce. Now we've Leeds in just over a week after they've appointed Marsch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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