DCJonah Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Fair points. I’m not with the ‘anyone can do better’ and hate everything he does crowd. It’s just everything feels a bit boring at the moment. I think it would be hard for any proper manager to not do better. We have our captain saying he wouldn't watch us on TV. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, DCJonah said: I think it would be hard for any proper manager to not do better. We have our captain saying he wouldn't watch us on TV. I know it was totally different circumstances but we said that about Garde. If the club sack Gerrard they really do need to get the next appointment right. Which is why I reckon they might use the World Cup break to do it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, WHY said: Usually does mate when you are a mid to lower end PL club. It’s such a hard league unless you are one of the big 4 to be consistently good in it. West Ham spent big money in the summer and have had their worst ever PL start. Would be even worse if it wasn’t for us This is a load of bollocks mate, an I'm pretty fed up with other fans of hearing it! Good managers/coaches get the best out of players and play the best system suited. You can go on about, our players not having enough technical ability, athectism, but look at Brighton where they are, an watch them drop now they don't have Potter. Look how many shit teams finished above us last season. It's all on the manager, we have a great group of players, Coutinho, Buendia, Bailey 2 decent enough strikers and we still struggle to create and score goals. McGinn's a lucky boy, cause I'm sure he wouldn't be playing under a proven manager. It's also easy to say the players aren't good enough, but theres no real proof, as we ain't had a coach with proper managerial experience since maybe O'Neil. Bring in Poch or Rodgers for me, if we are still shit, I'll admit the players aren't good enough!! Edited September 18, 2022 by foreveryoung 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChesterDad Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 3 hours ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: Yeah that's where I'm at. Meh but not hyperbolic yet JV - that’s possibly because he was a great footballer - we were all hoping this might translate onto the management aspect of the game - unfortunately it has not - he is seriously out of his depth at the moment. This will most likely change over the course of time, but in reality it was a huge mistake to replace Deano with Gerrard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacbuddies Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 22 hours ago, M_Afro said: It may well be fella but fortunately you won’t be making that decision and neither will I! We have to trust the multi billionaires who have made their fortunes off the back of knowing when the right time is to hire/fire their staff. You mean trust the clearings in the woods that hired him in the first place! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciggiesnbeer Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Sulberto21 said: Watching Rodgers’ interview it was almost as though he was asking to be sacked as he needs a total 6 month break. Shame because I like Rodgers as a manager. I rewatched the game, we definitely still have coaching issues as Gerrard acknowledged (which is a good thing, at least he is not deluded). I will take the win but I still dont understand why Luis was dropped and McGinn wasnt. We still are not coaching /using Bailey correctly. He struggles to take a man on from a standing start, he is much better used at speed. Finding Ollies best position in post Grealish Villa is still a work in progress after a year. His work rate is a massive asset but there is something missing for him to be the main central striker. imho we have a very good squad but we still have not gelled post Grealish into any attractive or coherent playing style. Thats not all on Gerrard but now most of it is. I hope Gerrard/Critchley will use this break wisely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 57 minutes ago, pacbuddies said: You mean trust the clearings in the woods that hired him in the first place! At this point we need to look at exactly who hired him and all the evidence points to Purslow. At this level of business, owners appoint senior executives and put trust in them to make the big decisions. Yes ultimately the buck stops with NSWE and I’m sure they would have signed off on the appointment but a lot may depend on if they were overly keen or not and how much this was an idea that Purslow really pushed. The speed of the appointment and not much in the way of due diligence would put suggest this is largely at Purslow’s door. What happens next is key. If the board move quickly to appoint a top manager all is good. Then we will see what the fallout is. Collective admission of blame everything carries on as before but with a manager capable of realising the club’s ambitions. If Purslow drags his feet or NSWE for that matter then we may have a problem. If NSWE are as ambitious and ruthless as we’ve been led to believe and Purslow is deemed to be largely to blame for the Gerrard Project, then we may well be looking for a new CEO as well as a manager. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 4 hours ago, Keyblade said: Maybe not this burned out Rodgers, but I think our squad is about on par with the one that he got to within 1 game of securing top 4 (twice!), an FA Cup and a European semifinal. They were in a worse spot than us when he joined us. But I agree, we shouldn't fall into the trap of "better than Gerrard" because that's a very wide spectrum. Agreed. It's sadly also a group that includes our former manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jas10 Posted September 19, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 19, 2022 This guy has completely drained my enthusiasm and excitement for my football club… I am past being upset or annoyed or even frustrated… I’m starting to feel apathy more than anything. It has proven to be such a poor appointment and really makes no sense… I can’t understand why we sacked the previous manager (the “continual improvement” line by CP has proven to be complete BS too) only to bring in a rookie and give him more leeway, allow him to damage and impair the team or group of players, destroy any form of identity and connection… and on and on, it’s all been covered multiple times. Many reasons and stats and records have been provided… there is more than enough… It’s just all very crap and we seem completely aimless or directionless… I can’t see what we’re doing, where we’re going… I just feel drained and almost disinterested… it’s a shame, because I so enjoyed being a fan and following the club not so long ago after a fairly long period of misery and failure beforehand… I don’t even have the energy or interest to repeat same/similar points or provide detailed explanations again… plus I don’t see why I should need to or have to try and justify my view again… there is more than enough evidence there and over a long enough period of time… Some people may choose to be in denial or keep the hope but I just wonder why, similarly to the club, those people are so willing to tolerate so much crap and failure (we’re not progressing in anyway, SG’s tenure is at best seeing us struggle and amble our way through games, at worst we are in major decline - it is simply not enjoyable or entertaining) and give this guy so much time and leeway yet were harsher on and relatively more impatient with the guy who did so much for this club… I’d ask the club the same question. What was the point? The only point in making the change was to help us kick on and go up a few levels, to actually become a consistently competitive team and, as the club so often likes to drone on about, be a top half side that can compete for Europe. We’re miles away and, frankly, we are shite. We are one of the worst in the league under this manager… It’s been long enough, I see no improvement or signs for encouragement or enthusiasm. A change is well overdue imo… Why are we allowing this guy to try and “learn on the job” or go “back to basics” when we were supposed to progress? The aim is not staying up or getting involved in a relegation scrap FFS. He’s not special, far from it. He’s such a poor manager and not good enough for this club… he never was. Speaking only for myself, I won’t feel good about this team or even club again until the manager is replaced by someone a lot more capable… there is a limit to anyone’s patience or tolerance, I guess we all have different aims and expectations too… the vast majority of what we’ve seen suggests we have someone who is out of his depth and keeps repeating the same mistakes and foolish decisions… insanity? Or he gets credit for the most basic and minimum things such as players “putting a shift in”… wow… how far we have fallen…how drastically our aims and expectations have fallen… What a stupid appointment. It’s crazy how few games we have even won… that in itself is shocking and appalling. I hate what he has done to us and continues to do… 18 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jas10 Posted September 19, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 19, 2022 20 hours ago, PieFacE said: The fact that he is seemingly talking about going back to a more pragmatic approach and no longer doing the pretty things (which we didn't do anyway) highlights even more how poor of a manager he is. How many pre seasons is it going to take until he can get this team defending well with an actual identity going forward. I think he has a way he wants to play, but he has no idea how to coach this team to do it. And that's going to be a problem forever. It's not just suddenly going to click. It would have already. I genuinely believe he is one of the worst managers we have ever had. It’s arguable that any of our previous ones would do or have done a better job with this squad and players at their disposal… it’s been a shocking appointment… makes no sense why we risked everything on this amateur and didn’t set our sights higher or did the proper research when we were so eager to make a change… this problem needs fixing asap or we’re just going to go into a deeper decline… it’s horrible to see… 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jas10 Posted September 19, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 19, 2022 20 hours ago, StewieGriffin said: The "going back to a pragmatic approach" part of his interview really worried me. Other coaches come in and have an immediate impact on changing a style, some need a pre-season so effectively write off half a season, some need to bring in players to suit their style. Gerrard didn't quite manage the first, but did roll out the "pre-season will be massive for us" from about March and has certainly brought in a lot of expensive players. Losing Beale will have been disruptive, but he's been replaced with another good coach. When we saw pre-season games we were concerned that nothing had moved forward over the summer and now we're 6 weeks into the real thing and we're arguably worse. And now he's thought "bin the pretty stuff, lets be pragmatic" - he had an idea, an identity he wanted, and has ended up second guessing himself which has resulted in a confused mess. The players haven't a clue how to create, yet we've got Coutinho, Buendia and Bailey - 3 of the most talented players we've seen at Villa Park in a generation. This is on the manager, it isnt working. He’s just trying to save his job rather than improve us as a team - because he simply does not know how to do that. Are we just going to try and “grind out results” now and become the most turgid and dire team in the league now? All I see is DECLINE. FFS get rid! 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 On 18/09/2022 at 07:41, Keyblade said: The lowering of expectations at this club that's happening in real time is a real sight to behold. Being a rookie manager explains his performance, not the club's. That should be his conundrum to sort out with like Sheffield Wednesday or some shit, not us. Exactly… I can’t believe how willing some people can be to cover for this guy. We are a PL team, the club has constantly spoken of our “ambitions”… and yet how can we be happy or so willing to tolerate struggling to even look like a proper team and have no discernible or effective style of play? Fans are being asked to pay more in these difficult times yet we are being served up with aimless, turgid shite… we are simply not being entertained and are far from resembling a competitive side. It’s quite terrible… We really are in the shit and are going nowhere… we’re closer to relegation than actually looking like achieving anything. At this rate, under this manager, the best we are going to do is become another “also ran” and struggle away in the bottom half with other perceived “mediocre teams” (with far less resources and inferior individual players) when we should be doing a hell of a lot better. No one should be learning on the job to THIS EXTENT while they are being employed by this club. It really isn’t far from a disaster and could end up becoming a full blown one… 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viivvaa66 Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 Is Gerrard the second best manager at Aston Villa after Carla Ward, or are some of the youth team managers better too? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 45 minutes ago, viivvaa66 said: Is Gerrard the second best manager at Aston Villa after Carla Ward, or are some of the youth team managers better too? There are managers in the back offices as well, if you are talking purely football managers in the club then I think Gerrard maybe just get in the top ten football managers at the club at moment….remember we have various youth levels, womens to name just a few. If you are talking all types of managers in the club then he could be a very long way down the list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa_Vids Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 Gerrard has had a close look at himself and taken criticism on board. I believe he is desperate to do well here - his reaction at the end of Southampton shows that. And it is clear that he has tried to run before he could walk. We have improved over the last two games, we have a foundation moving forward now. Sacking him now will make no sense, we are heading in the right direction imo. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 8 hours ago, Jas10 said: This guy has completely drained my enthusiasm and excitement for my football club… I am past being upset or annoyed or even frustrated… I’m starting to feel apathy more than anything. That is exactly how I feel - apathetic. I am just rolling with it at the moment, waiting for Gerrard either to come good or the Board to sack him. Although I am worried about the damage he may do to the club in the meantime, and the waste of our young players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted September 19, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted September 19, 2022 27 minutes ago, Villa_Vids said: Gerrard has had a close look at himself and taken criticism on board. I believe he is desperate to do well here - his reaction at the end of Southampton shows that. And it is clear that he has tried to run before he could walk. We have improved over the last two games, we have a foundation moving forward now. Sacking him now will make no sense, we are heading in the right direction imo. Not sure how you can come to that conclusion based on what we've seen this season. We are no better now than the day he walked through the door. The progress made by Gerrard with this team is close to 0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhan_Zhuang Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 1 minute ago, PieFacE said: Not sure how you can come to that conclusion based on what we've seen this season. We are no better now than the day he walked through the door. The progress made by Gerrard with this team is close to 0 Honestly? Would you not say the first eleven and squad is not better than under Smith. I think we have made progress with attracting better players; the balance is finding a system that works for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ChesterDad Posted September 19, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 19, 2022 27 minutes ago, Villa_Vids said: Gerrard has had a close look at himself and taken criticism on board. I believe he is desperate to do well here - his reaction at the end of Southampton shows that. And it is clear that he has tried to run before he could walk. We have improved over the last two games, we have a foundation moving forward now. Sacking him now will make no sense, we are heading in the right direction imo. I am really unsure how you have reached this conclusion with the greatest of respect. Genuinely don’t believe you can read much into the city game - credit where it’s due, but in my view this was a group of players desperate to avoid a tanking and playing out of their selves to avoid doing so - I don’t think you can replicate this game in, game out and Southampton proved a case in point - let’s be honest a win is a win, but boy how bad were Saints? I feel the majority of top half teams, would easily have put them to the sword, yet we struggled to an unconvincing win. I wish I could share your optimism, but unfortunately I still feel that we remain on Gerrard’s downwards trajectory 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummybloke Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 10 minutes ago, Zhan_Zhuang said: Honestly? Would you not say the first eleven and squad is not better than under Smith. I think we have made progress with attracting better players; the balance is finding a system that works for us. Having better players doesn't mean you are a better manager. It means you SHOULD get better results. Southgate gets to pick from some amazing players, he is still a shocking manager. Gerrard, had the high profile to attract players however I fear they have now seen through his plush thick hair, snappy designer clothes and grating whiny scouse accent and realise Gerrard the player is the polar opposite talent wise of Gerrard the manager. Honestly hoping we are finalising poch as our manager and he will be in after the Leeds game 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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